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KO Box results> Well after years of KR looks like I finally found the solution. It wasnt race gas, looses exhaust, bad knock sensors etc.... Because of the 941 springs and T1 my timing was always at 22-24 advance and 2-4 KR at WOT. I was saving for a custom PCM but the KO box from Nineball cured it.
I got 33.5 advance and 0 KR on a 20 degree day at WOT with MAFT at +4% rich. Run before the KO box was as above. Car felt real good. Looks like it cured my problem. I expect it will drop back to 30 advance when it warms up. Hope to redyno and pick up that lost HP.
I am completely satisfied with the plug in KO box.
I got 33.5 advance and 0 KR on a 20 degree day at WOT with MAFT at +4% rich. Run before the KO box was as above. Car felt real good. Looks like it cured my problem. I expect it will drop back to 30 advance when it warms up. Hope to redyno and pick up that lost HP.
I am completely satisfied with the plug in KO box.
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Re: KO Box results> I am thinking about getting one as well, but I need totest to see if it is falso knock first. how hard is it to isntall if you get the pug in option. Where is the harness you need t plug it into to? It is not the actual sensor under the intake, right? Thanks!
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Re: KO Box results> Good news! Tony, I have a question for ya, I get a little retard on my M6 either between gears or off my initial launch, I was told that was normal? now, will this little Gem get rid of that for me? If so, I am a buyer.
Thanks, Joe.
Thanks, Joe.
Re: KO Box results> KO box is great mods IF u do your homework FIRST
I would NOT put one on a car UNTIL u verify u have REAL KR r could damage your engine.ONLY after u verify its false kock then go ahead and run the KO box.
Throw 2 gallons of 100 unleaded in the car an autotap to verify.If its still there then its fasle and u can run the KO box.But if it goes
away,thats REAL KR and u need to cure the problem another way.
JS
I would NOT put one on a car UNTIL u verify u have REAL KR r could damage your engine.ONLY after u verify its false kock then go ahead and run the KO box.
Throw 2 gallons of 100 unleaded in the car an autotap to verify.If its still there then its fasle and u can run the KO box.But if it goes
away,thats REAL KR and u need to cure the problem another way.
JS
Re: KO Box results> Joe, I used to get false knock on hard launches and sometimes between gear changes too. This KO-Box will definitely get rid of that stuff.
Hey Sam, about time you found our site! <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
Tony
Hey Sam, about time you found our site! <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
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Re: KO Box results> Thansk for thie info, but I alrady knew hot to test for real ro false knock, hehe. Just needed to know how hard it is to install it if you get it with that plug-in harness option. You do not have to take off the intake and stuff, right? Thanks!
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Re: KO Box results> [quote]Originally posted by 1badls1bird:
<strong>Thansk for thie info, but I alrady knew hot to test for real ro false knock, hehe. Just needed to know how hard it is to install it if you get it with that plug-in harness option. You do not have to take off the intake and stuff, right? Thanks!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ameet:
http://users.ev1.net/~ynot_dv8/Install.htm
Don't you read, it's right in Tony's Sig... <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">
<strong>Thansk for thie info, but I alrady knew hot to test for real ro false knock, hehe. Just needed to know how hard it is to install it if you get it with that plug-in harness option. You do not have to take off the intake and stuff, right? Thanks!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ameet:
http://users.ev1.net/~ynot_dv8/Install.htm
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Re: KO Box results> [quote]Originally posted by Nine Ball:
<strong>Joe, I used to get false knock on hard launches and sometimes between gear changes too. This KO-Box will definitely get rid of that stuff.
Hey Sam, about time you found our site! <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
Tony</strong><hr></blockquote>
Tony,
I've noticed a quick blip of ~2 degrees on shift changes too, and up to ~5 under load in high gear/low RPM. I have 0 KR at WOT though. My SP is usually around only ~24 or so.
Now, I noticed he posted an overall higher SP number after your box was installed. Does the math on that add up? Why was his total SP higher than his previous SP + his KR?
TIA
Chris
PS: I don't think i have real KR issues. I've monitored it for days, weeks now, off and on, and my dyno numbers are quite good considering I'm ~stock
again, TIA
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<strong>Joe, I used to get false knock on hard launches and sometimes between gear changes too. This KO-Box will definitely get rid of that stuff.
Hey Sam, about time you found our site! <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
Tony</strong><hr></blockquote>
Tony,
I've noticed a quick blip of ~2 degrees on shift changes too, and up to ~5 under load in high gear/low RPM. I have 0 KR at WOT though. My SP is usually around only ~24 or so.
Now, I noticed he posted an overall higher SP number after your box was installed. Does the math on that add up? Why was his total SP higher than his previous SP + his KR?
TIA
Chris
PS: I don't think i have real KR issues. I've monitored it for days, weeks now, off and on, and my dyno numbers are quite good considering I'm ~stock
again, TIA
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Re: KO Box results> It wasnt too bad to install. THe plugs are near the back drivers side of the intake. It took some wiggling to get my hands in there and plug the ends.
Thanks for the welcome Tony. I have been doing some business travellling so now I finally have time to come over here and learn some more stuff from you guys.
Cant wait to get my stage II heads on and break the clutch and rear again <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
Thanks for the welcome Tony. I have been doing some business travellling so now I finally have time to come over here and learn some more stuff from you guys.
Cant wait to get my stage II heads on and break the clutch and rear again <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
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From: Troy, AL
Re: KO Box results> KR causes more timing advance to be pulled than what it in itself is. 3 degrees of KR will cause the timing advance to drop FAR more than 3 degrees.
That what you're asking?
That what you're asking?
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From: Out of Texas, into Tucson, AZ
Re: KO Box results> yes, it is. Thanks.
And (always an and...) If i have 0 KR at WOT with about 24/25 total spark advance but just about ~2 KR under low rpm/high gear load, would that be considered insignificant?
That's my story; I'm sticking to it.
EDIT: my WOT O2 readings are 88.x - 89, so I'm doing very well there--wouldn't want it leaner. I'm also at about 3500 elevation with cold/dry air (Tucson, AZ)at the moment.
Chris
[ January 14, 2002: Message edited by: 02 'Hawk ]</p>
And (always an and...) If i have 0 KR at WOT with about 24/25 total spark advance but just about ~2 KR under low rpm/high gear load, would that be considered insignificant?
That's my story; I'm sticking to it.
EDIT: my WOT O2 readings are 88.x - 89, so I'm doing very well there--wouldn't want it leaner. I'm also at about 3500 elevation with cold/dry air (Tucson, AZ)at the moment.
Chris
[ January 14, 2002: Message edited by: 02 'Hawk ]</p>
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Re: KO Box results> [quote]Originally posted by Nine Ball:
<strong>Joe, I used to get false knock on hard launches and sometimes between gear changes too. This KO-Box will definitely get rid of that stuff.
Hey Sam, about time you found our site! <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
Tony</strong><hr></blockquote>
Tony???? Still waiting???? I really do live on the same Planet. <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0"> It aint that hard. Heck! I just got $3,000 US worth of stuff delivered to my door VIA "UPS" over night! (From New York) I will send you the bucks and you send me the goods... Am I asking to much???? <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
<strong>Joe, I used to get false knock on hard launches and sometimes between gear changes too. This KO-Box will definitely get rid of that stuff.
Hey Sam, about time you found our site! <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
Tony</strong><hr></blockquote>
Tony???? Still waiting???? I really do live on the same Planet. <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0"> It aint that hard. Heck! I just got $3,000 US worth of stuff delivered to my door VIA "UPS" over night! (From New York) I will send you the bucks and you send me the goods... Am I asking to much???? <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
Re: KO Box results> Plan B, I was buying some concert tickets on Saturday and noticed a sign that showed that Western Union does money transfers between countries. I've never used any money services like Western Union before, do they just send the check to my address?
I'll find out how much shipping is to Austrailia, shoot me an address via email again.
Thanks,
Tony
I'll find out how much shipping is to Austrailia, shoot me an address via email again.
Thanks,
Tony
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From: Troy, AL
Re: KO Box results> "If i have 0 KR at WOT with about 24/25 total spark advance but just about ~2 KR under low rpm/high gear load, would that be considered insignificant?"
I guess it's according to who you ask. I, being the perfectionist that I am, would consider KR that causes my WOT timing advance to be only a max of 24/25 to be significant. The KR is kicking your timing advance's butt at low rpms and it's not having enough time to fully recover by high rpms. If you want high timing advance in those upper RPMs you'll have to kill the KR in the lower RPMS.
[ January 14, 2002: Message edited by: Colonel ]</p>
I guess it's according to who you ask. I, being the perfectionist that I am, would consider KR that causes my WOT timing advance to be only a max of 24/25 to be significant. The KR is kicking your timing advance's butt at low rpms and it's not having enough time to fully recover by high rpms. If you want high timing advance in those upper RPMs you'll have to kill the KR in the lower RPMS.
[ January 14, 2002: Message edited by: Colonel ]</p>
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Re: KO Box results> Tony I have homemade duels with a X-pipe and when I get on it it bangs the floor very bad and also when I shift it bangs hard. Everyone that rides in it is like what the hell. I dont have anything to check my timing but do you think this device will help me? I am installing a cam and the new Hookers this weekend so I am sure it will only get worse.
