WHere to get a spare PCM?
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Re: WHere to get a spare PCM? If you have a 99-02 check with Valvegod@aol.com or search for him on the boards. He has them for something like 100 or 150 but I can't remember. He usually has everything except 98's.
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Re: WHere to get a spare PCM? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by slick98ta:
<strong>Just curious as to why 98' pcm are so hard to get?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm guessing cause it was the first year of the LS1 in F-Bodys, so they probably have different wireing schemas than other years.
<strong>Just curious as to why 98' pcm are so hard to get?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm guessing cause it was the first year of the LS1 in F-Bodys, so they probably have different wireing schemas than other years.
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Re: WHere to get a spare PCM? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by slick98ta:
<strong>Just curious as to why 98' pcm are so hard to get?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">They were only in the 98 model year cars. They are phyically bigger (and slower) than the new 99-02 PCM's.
<strong>Just curious as to why 98' pcm are so hard to get?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">They were only in the 98 model year cars. They are phyically bigger (and slower) than the new 99-02 PCM's.
Re: WHere to get a spare PCM? Yes.. that's $150 shipped from valvegod@aol.com for a 99-02 PCM. HIGHLY Recommended!
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Re: WHere to get a spare PCM? Okay, I understand why the 98's are harder to get (and yes the pin assignments are different that the later years), but where does one go about getting a spare 98 PCM? They must be available somewhere, Painless wiring mandates a 98 Camaro PCM for thier harnesses.
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Re: WHere to get a spare PCM? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Chris Spiess:
<strong>Okay, I understand why the 98's are harder to get (and yes the pin assignments are different that the later years), but where does one go about getting a spare 98 PCM? They must be available somewhere, Painless wiring mandates a 98 Camaro PCM for thier harnesses.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Try John Spears at Speartech. www.speartech.com
<strong>Okay, I understand why the 98's are harder to get (and yes the pin assignments are different that the later years), but where does one go about getting a spare 98 PCM? They must be available somewhere, Painless wiring mandates a 98 Camaro PCM for thier harnesses.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Try John Spears at Speartech. www.speartech.com
Re: WHere to get a spare PCM? Another vote for ValveGod here. Had a spare PCM to me in like 2 days. REAL nice guy to deal with too. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
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Re: WHere to get a spare PCM? cool... sounds like valve god is the wayt o go.... hopefully my stock PCM will be fixed in a week or so (haven't sent it out yet) , then i'll have the cash for the spare <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Re: WHere to get a spare PCM? I got my '98 PCM for $150 shipped from http://www.junkyardjimmy.com - I found him through a used parts locator service. It came out of a '99 454 truck, but I was able to get it reflashed with my VIN & 6-speed file.
I've seen one or two in the classifieds here, but they probably go pretty fast.
-Andrew
I've seen one or two in the classifieds here, but they probably go pretty fast.
-Andrew
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Re: WHere to get a spare PCM? You should look into getting your PCM socketed. Then you dont need a spare, just spare chips. I think Andrew is the guys name that does it for LT1's. Maybe its possible on the LS1's also???
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Re: WHere to get a spare PCM? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by pugsLT1:
<strong>You should look into getting your PCM socketed. Then you dont need a spare, just spare chips. I think Andrew is the guys name that does it for LT1's. Maybe its possible on the LS1's also???</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's what I've thought about. The Flash chip is just an intel flash chip. I tried to find some on the net to no avail... a socket would rock though... changing chips like the 3rd genners do <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
<strong>You should look into getting your PCM socketed. Then you dont need a spare, just spare chips. I think Andrew is the guys name that does it for LT1's. Maybe its possible on the LS1's also???</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's what I've thought about. The Flash chip is just an intel flash chip. I tried to find some on the net to no avail... a socket would rock though... changing chips like the 3rd genners do <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Re: WHere to get a spare PCM? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by pugsLT1:
<strong>You should look into getting your PCM socketed. Then you dont need a spare, just spare chips. I think Andrew is the guys name that does it for LT1's. Maybe its possible on the LS1's also???</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, Andrew is the guy's name. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
That would be me.
I personally would not do it on an LS1 PCM.
The packaging profile of the flash chip (Intel 28F400BX, I believe) does not lend itself to being socketed and 'driven hard' for long, in my opinion. You can get ZIF sockets for these chips at http://www.emulation.com - I think something like this might work but I could be wrong - heck, it probably won't even fit in the PCM shell.
The LT1 PCM uses PLCC (plastic leaded chip carrier) surface mount chip, which can be socketed in a nice, secure socket. The LS1 uses a flat surface mount DIP (I think it's a TSOP) that doesn't socket as easily.
That's why I bought a spare PCM. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
You can probably get the chip from a end of life distributor at http://www.partminer.com - I haven't looked, though. It has been discontinued by Intel.
-Andrew
<small>[ July 16, 2002, 11:52 AM: Message edited by: Camaroholic ]</small>
<strong>You should look into getting your PCM socketed. Then you dont need a spare, just spare chips. I think Andrew is the guys name that does it for LT1's. Maybe its possible on the LS1's also???</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, Andrew is the guy's name. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
That would be me.
I personally would not do it on an LS1 PCM.
The packaging profile of the flash chip (Intel 28F400BX, I believe) does not lend itself to being socketed and 'driven hard' for long, in my opinion. You can get ZIF sockets for these chips at http://www.emulation.com - I think something like this might work but I could be wrong - heck, it probably won't even fit in the PCM shell.
The LT1 PCM uses PLCC (plastic leaded chip carrier) surface mount chip, which can be socketed in a nice, secure socket. The LS1 uses a flat surface mount DIP (I think it's a TSOP) that doesn't socket as easily.
That's why I bought a spare PCM. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
You can probably get the chip from a end of life distributor at http://www.partminer.com - I haven't looked, though. It has been discontinued by Intel.
-Andrew
<small>[ July 16, 2002, 11:52 AM: Message edited by: Camaroholic ]</small>
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Re: WHere to get a spare PCM? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Camaroholic:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by pugsLT1:
<strong>You should look into getting your PCM socketed. Then you dont need a spare, just spare chips. I think Andrew is the guys name that does it for LT1's. Maybe its possible on the LS1's also???</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, Andrew is the guy's name. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
That would be me.
I personally would not do it on an LS1 PCM.
The packaging profile of the flash chip (Intel 28F400BX, I believe) does not lend itself to being socketed and 'driven hard' for long, in my opinion. You can get ZIF sockets for these chips at http://www.emulation.com - I think something like this might work but I could be wrong - heck, it probably won't even fit in the PCM shell.
The LT1 PCM uses PLCC (plastic leaded chip carrier) surface mount chip, which can be socketed in a nice, secure socket. The LS1 uses a flat surface mount DIP (I think it's a TSOP) that doesn't socket as easily.
That's why I bought a spare PCM. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
You can probably get the chip from a end of life distributor at http://www.partminer.com - I haven't looked, though. It has been discontinued by Intel.
-Andrew</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Good info <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> I found a few docs too on my companys intranet... seems we've got a few hundred thousand of these chips..... can't confirm if they're the BX version though (just says 28F400 and some say B4, B2, B5 .... I wonder if BX means that any of the B series would work?)
If only I had a contact in the automotive division of Motorola, hehe
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by pugsLT1:
<strong>You should look into getting your PCM socketed. Then you dont need a spare, just spare chips. I think Andrew is the guys name that does it for LT1's. Maybe its possible on the LS1's also???</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, Andrew is the guy's name. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
That would be me.
I personally would not do it on an LS1 PCM.
The packaging profile of the flash chip (Intel 28F400BX, I believe) does not lend itself to being socketed and 'driven hard' for long, in my opinion. You can get ZIF sockets for these chips at http://www.emulation.com - I think something like this might work but I could be wrong - heck, it probably won't even fit in the PCM shell.
The LT1 PCM uses PLCC (plastic leaded chip carrier) surface mount chip, which can be socketed in a nice, secure socket. The LS1 uses a flat surface mount DIP (I think it's a TSOP) that doesn't socket as easily.
That's why I bought a spare PCM. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
You can probably get the chip from a end of life distributor at http://www.partminer.com - I haven't looked, though. It has been discontinued by Intel.
-Andrew</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Good info <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> I found a few docs too on my companys intranet... seems we've got a few hundred thousand of these chips..... can't confirm if they're the BX version though (just says 28F400 and some say B4, B2, B5 .... I wonder if BX means that any of the B series would work?)
If only I had a contact in the automotive division of Motorola, hehe
Re: WHere to get a spare PCM? I think its a surface mount PSOP chip.
The legs extend away from the chip. They are also very small and fragile.
I've removed and reinstalled plenty of 28F400 chips without breaking 1 leg though. A heat gun works VERY well for both removal and reinstallation.
Hi Andrew! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
- Keith
The legs extend away from the chip. They are also very small and fragile.
I've removed and reinstalled plenty of 28F400 chips without breaking 1 leg though. A heat gun works VERY well for both removal and reinstallation.
Hi Andrew! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
- Keith
Re: WHere to get a spare PCM? Here is the socket I was looking at:
http://www.romtools.com/psop44.html
I haven't tried it yet though. Would make my T&T a lot easier.
http://www.romtools.com/psop44.html
I haven't tried it yet though. Would make my T&T a lot easier.
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Re: WHere to get a spare PCM? Very interesting reading.
My question is "Why couldn't you take a '99 and up PCM and a wiring diagram and convert the '98 wiring harness to a '99. You would only need to know the pin out, would you not? The engine controls are the same between '98 and '99 are they not?"
Just askin'.
My question is "Why couldn't you take a '99 and up PCM and a wiring diagram and convert the '98 wiring harness to a '99. You would only need to know the pin out, would you not? The engine controls are the same between '98 and '99 are they not?"
Just askin'.
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Re: WHere to get a spare PCM? does anyone know if its possible to put a 99-2002 pcm in a 98? I know I would need to change the wiring harness but will it work? anyone done it?My reason for wanting to do this is because the 98`s are hard to tune @ wot with ls1 edit they just run very rich with H/C package the 99-2002 dont seem to have this problem!