Ed Wright vs LS1Edit tuning > Who to send the PCM to? (Please Help)
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Ed Wright vs LS1Edit tuning > Who to send the PCM to? (Please Help) Well, its obvious that Ed Wright don't use LS1Edit for tuning since he has somehow found a way to change the PCM parameters before LS1Edit even came out.
I understand Ed wants $450 to do your PCM if you send it to him. I have heard that there are a few other companies now that understand LS1Edit good enough to charge about $300 to make adjustments if you mail them the PCM. Am I right?
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1. Anyone have experience with any of these LS1Edit "tuners"? Who are they? (I understand Speartech is one of them)
2. You send Ed a list of your mods and a "want list" (ie: delete torque management, delete EGR, delete random misfire, etc) and he makes the changes, charges you 450 bucks and sends the PCM back to you. Do these LS1Edit proffessional tuners do the same thing?
3. Can LS1Edit make all the requested changes to your PCM that Ed can?
Again, where does one find a listing of the companies that do LS1Edit tuning via the mail?
Just trying to find an effective [but] cheaper approach other than the 450 dollar $$$ Mr. Ed Wright $$$ <img border="0" alt="[judgement]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_judge.gif" />
Thanks,
Ron
I understand Ed wants $450 to do your PCM if you send it to him. I have heard that there are a few other companies now that understand LS1Edit good enough to charge about $300 to make adjustments if you mail them the PCM. Am I right?
The Question(s):
1. Anyone have experience with any of these LS1Edit "tuners"? Who are they? (I understand Speartech is one of them)
2. You send Ed a list of your mods and a "want list" (ie: delete torque management, delete EGR, delete random misfire, etc) and he makes the changes, charges you 450 bucks and sends the PCM back to you. Do these LS1Edit proffessional tuners do the same thing?
3. Can LS1Edit make all the requested changes to your PCM that Ed can?
Again, where does one find a listing of the companies that do LS1Edit tuning via the mail?
Just trying to find an effective [but] cheaper approach other than the 450 dollar $$$ Mr. Ed Wright $$$ <img border="0" alt="[judgement]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_judge.gif" />
Thanks,
Ron
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Re: Ed Wright vs LS1Edit tuning > Who to send the PCM to? (Please Help) One of the best bits of wisdom my father gave me was to not step over dollars while picking up dimes.
I can't help with a list... It would be worth knowing how much back and forth you can expect for your fee. Twice, three times... When do you become an annoying and troublesome customer? Find that out on the front end.
It's certainly easier to go back and forth with a file than with a PCM. (You are checksumming them, right? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> ) If it weren't for the answer to your third question, which option is better would be more obvious. If you don't have any truly special needs, it's less of an issue.
I can't help with a list... It would be worth knowing how much back and forth you can expect for your fee. Twice, three times... When do you become an annoying and troublesome customer? Find that out on the front end.
It's certainly easier to go back and forth with a file than with a PCM. (You are checksumming them, right? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> ) If it weren't for the answer to your third question, which option is better would be more obvious. If you don't have any truly special needs, it's less of an issue.
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Re: Ed Wright vs LS1Edit tuning > Who to send the PCM to? (Please Help) If you have access to a laptop just buy LS1 edit. For a about the price of sending your PCM to a tuner or to Ed Wright, you can own the LS1 edit software and tune your car yourself. I'm no genius but I tuned my own 2002 SS with LS1 edit. It's really easy, and the best part is if I make changes (gear ratio, A/F or if you wanna adjust your idle etc) I can instantly retune my car.
I friggin love the power of LS1.
Also if you can get a buddy to order it with you, you can get a 2nd car user for only $100. that makes the LS1 edit price like $300 each.
P.S. if you dont have a laptop, ebay has some killer deal on em.
God Luck.
Lee
I friggin love the power of LS1.
Also if you can get a buddy to order it with you, you can get a 2nd car user for only $100. that makes the LS1 edit price like $300 each.
P.S. if you dont have a laptop, ebay has some killer deal on em.
God Luck.
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Re: Ed Wright vs LS1Edit tuning > Who to send the PCM to? (Please Help) My understanding is that Ed DOES use LS1 Edit. You should be able to pick up enough info on this site to purchase LS1 Edit on your own and make your own changes. I am working on getting a copy for myself soon. If you know of a shop that has a dyno, buy it yourself, make a pass, make changes, make another pass, etc. until you get what you are looking for. Just my $.02
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Re: Ed Wright vs LS1Edit tuning > Who to send the PCM to? (Please Help) Blue.....
He may use LS1Edit, but I can tell you that Ed was tuning the LS1 PCM more than 2 years prior to LS1Edit even being manufactured. He obviously was using something other than LS1Edit.
I do have a laptop. Lets say I purchase LS1Edit. Do the instructions that come with it tell how to delete EGR, Random Misfire, AIR codes, etc? > or is that something I would need to figure out myself through hit and miss?
Well, with LS1Edit, I guess then I will need ATAP to see if everything is working ok... What are we at now? Must be well over 600 bucks. Then a 100 or so if I want to use a dyno to really get everything dialed in right. Lets see, I guess that puts us in the upper $700 figure!
All I am asking if if it would be worthwhile to just send the PCM to an LS1Edit tuner, give him 300 bucks, and be done with it. Better yet, find an LS1Edit tuner, drive the car to him, and leave it there long enough for him to get it right.
The big question is: Other than Ed Wright out in Tulsa, who out there in 'LS1Edit Land' has gone in the tuning business and where are they?
Maybe the manufacturer that sells LS1Edit could tell us who he has sold the "unlimited" version of it to. At the price the "unlimited" version costs, the guy that buys it is certainly not just using it just to tune his own car.
Lastly, from all the questions people have asked in this forum about using LS1Edit, I wonder how many of the "tuners" have really figured it out 100% yet? Or haven't we got that far yet with it?
Ron,
He may use LS1Edit, but I can tell you that Ed was tuning the LS1 PCM more than 2 years prior to LS1Edit even being manufactured. He obviously was using something other than LS1Edit.
I do have a laptop. Lets say I purchase LS1Edit. Do the instructions that come with it tell how to delete EGR, Random Misfire, AIR codes, etc? > or is that something I would need to figure out myself through hit and miss?
Well, with LS1Edit, I guess then I will need ATAP to see if everything is working ok... What are we at now? Must be well over 600 bucks. Then a 100 or so if I want to use a dyno to really get everything dialed in right. Lets see, I guess that puts us in the upper $700 figure!
All I am asking if if it would be worthwhile to just send the PCM to an LS1Edit tuner, give him 300 bucks, and be done with it. Better yet, find an LS1Edit tuner, drive the car to him, and leave it there long enough for him to get it right.
The big question is: Other than Ed Wright out in Tulsa, who out there in 'LS1Edit Land' has gone in the tuning business and where are they?
Maybe the manufacturer that sells LS1Edit could tell us who he has sold the "unlimited" version of it to. At the price the "unlimited" version costs, the guy that buys it is certainly not just using it just to tune his own car.
Lastly, from all the questions people have asked in this forum about using LS1Edit, I wonder how many of the "tuners" have really figured it out 100% yet? Or haven't we got that far yet with it?
Ron,
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Re: Ed Wright vs LS1Edit tuning > Who to send the PCM to? (Please Help) Ron, I see your point about cost and hassle, but wouldn't you want the extra capabilities of an Autotap or similiar anyway? Short of actually taking your car to the tuner -not talking about just deleting codes,etc, but "real" tuning- I don't see tuning via mail being spot on. It seems to work out fine for some, but some may need several iterations of tuning to get what they want.
As for the real capabilities of Eds tuning VS LS1Edit, I really don't know.
TTS does tuning with their own equipment, but as I understand it their customer service sucks.
Doesn't MMS have their own customized tuner, also?
When are you coming home from the cart-behind-a-tiller and drive in the good old US of A? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />
As for the real capabilities of Eds tuning VS LS1Edit, I really don't know.
TTS does tuning with their own equipment, but as I understand it their customer service sucks.
Doesn't MMS have their own customized tuner, also?
When are you coming home from the cart-behind-a-tiller and drive in the good old US of A? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />
Re: Ed Wright vs LS1Edit tuning > Who to send the PCM to? (Please Help) Buy Edit. You are building a mild A4 package, so you should not have huge tuning issues. Edit gives you the flexibility to try different shift points and converter lock-up, etc.
Basic tuning is pretty easy. EGR test etc is like a pull down menu. other tables look like an old verison Excel.
Basic tuning is pretty easy. EGR test etc is like a pull down menu. other tables look like an old verison Excel.
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Re: Ed Wright vs LS1Edit tuning > Who to send the PCM to? (Please Help) gwj....
Well, I did [not] extend over here in Korea again, so I am now just waiting to be placed in the US when a vacancy opens up. God knows how long that will take. All I can do is sit here and dream of how I will tackle this mod deal when I get back. Maybe I will just buy LS1Edit and borrow ATAP or something. I don't have a clue on how to use either one. Thats why I was just thinking about sending the PCM to someone and pay them to do it.
This sure is alot more involved than buying a 50 dollar chip for a Turbo Buick and slapping it in the cars computer!
Kinda neat thing.... I had a guy flying in the Flight Simulator a couple of days ago. He shows up driving a dirtly as hell blue LS1 WS6 with a non-intercooled Vortech blower on it. I could see that it also had a set of TTS headers. Car had an open cutout (loud as hell)!
Anyway, the guy that owned the WS6 is now in the UAE, and let this guy use it until he gets back to Korea. Did a short burnout in front of our simulator building! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Told the guy he needs to get the car cleaned up! Real nice car otherwise.
Anyway, thanks all for the info that you folks have provided.
BTW, here is a final list of crap I am going to do to my old 98 TA: (besides some kind of tuning)
1. TR 220 cam (220/220 .561/.561 114 LSA)
2. TEA Stage II heads milled .030" (2.02/1.57 Ferrea valves / 918 springs)
3. FLP LTs with cats
4. LS6 intake
Car now has a old Yank (1998 vintage) 2,800 converter, SLP dual/dual catback, Whisper lid, gutted MAF and a few Hotchkis suspension parts.
Well, at least I can get 'half jacked' by interacting with these 2 LS1 message boards. Its all I got going in the LS1 arena, with me still being over here and the car in storage in Phoenix.
Ron, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />
Well, I did [not] extend over here in Korea again, so I am now just waiting to be placed in the US when a vacancy opens up. God knows how long that will take. All I can do is sit here and dream of how I will tackle this mod deal when I get back. Maybe I will just buy LS1Edit and borrow ATAP or something. I don't have a clue on how to use either one. Thats why I was just thinking about sending the PCM to someone and pay them to do it.
This sure is alot more involved than buying a 50 dollar chip for a Turbo Buick and slapping it in the cars computer!
Kinda neat thing.... I had a guy flying in the Flight Simulator a couple of days ago. He shows up driving a dirtly as hell blue LS1 WS6 with a non-intercooled Vortech blower on it. I could see that it also had a set of TTS headers. Car had an open cutout (loud as hell)!
Anyway, the guy that owned the WS6 is now in the UAE, and let this guy use it until he gets back to Korea. Did a short burnout in front of our simulator building! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Told the guy he needs to get the car cleaned up! Real nice car otherwise.
Anyway, thanks all for the info that you folks have provided.
BTW, here is a final list of crap I am going to do to my old 98 TA: (besides some kind of tuning)
1. TR 220 cam (220/220 .561/.561 114 LSA)
2. TEA Stage II heads milled .030" (2.02/1.57 Ferrea valves / 918 springs)
3. FLP LTs with cats
4. LS6 intake
Car now has a old Yank (1998 vintage) 2,800 converter, SLP dual/dual catback, Whisper lid, gutted MAF and a few Hotchkis suspension parts.
Well, at least I can get 'half jacked' by interacting with these 2 LS1 message boards. Its all I got going in the LS1 arena, with me still being over here and the car in storage in Phoenix.
Ron, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />
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Re: Ed Wright vs LS1Edit tuning > Who to send the PCM to? (Please Help) Ragtop.....
I think your right! Maybe by the time I get back to the US, everyone will have this LS1Edit all figured out and be able to tell me how to go about all this stuff after I get done wrenching on the car...
By reading some of these posts here, it now seems like there are alot more folks with LS1Edit questions than with answers. I guess in do-time, everyone will be experts with it.... I hope!
Ron,
I think your right! Maybe by the time I get back to the US, everyone will have this LS1Edit all figured out and be able to tell me how to go about all this stuff after I get done wrenching on the car...
By reading some of these posts here, it now seems like there are alot more folks with LS1Edit questions than with answers. I guess in do-time, everyone will be experts with it.... I hope!
Ron,
Re: Ed Wright vs LS1Edit tuning > Who to send the PCM to? (Please Help) Ron,
I seem to recall hearing a story about Ed making a 'knowledge and software' trade with a person who had been working at GM in the past. As of last December he was supposedly using the same software that GM uses.
Besides, LS1_Edit doesn't allow you to lock-out the editing of the data tables...which Ed does. I'm under the impression that LS1_Edit has not yet revealed all data tables.
IMO, LS1_Edit is the better long-term route, in conjunction with a digital AFR gauge w/ logging. Else any changes you make you'll need to pay for time & shipping back to Ed.
One more thing, there was a post on this board awhile back which stated that Ed had raised his rate to $650 for on-site dyno-tuned PCM's for new customers.
I seem to recall hearing a story about Ed making a 'knowledge and software' trade with a person who had been working at GM in the past. As of last December he was supposedly using the same software that GM uses.
Besides, LS1_Edit doesn't allow you to lock-out the editing of the data tables...which Ed does. I'm under the impression that LS1_Edit has not yet revealed all data tables.
IMO, LS1_Edit is the better long-term route, in conjunction with a digital AFR gauge w/ logging. Else any changes you make you'll need to pay for time & shipping back to Ed.
One more thing, there was a post on this board awhile back which stated that Ed had raised his rate to $650 for on-site dyno-tuned PCM's for new customers.
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Re: Ed Wright vs LS1Edit tuning > Who to send the PCM to? (Please Help) Screw Ed Wright. He locks your program so you can't tune over it. You have to have it reflashed and start from scratch, like I am having to do.
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