Ease V2 scanner released
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Ease V2 scanner released Ease OBD-II scanner V2 is now out for the Pro and Personal versions.
I have been BETA testing both versions for some time now. Ease was nice enough to take my input and add features I thought would be useful for the tuner type of user.
One cool new feature is the meters functions now not only tell you the min, max, at this moment but also the averages.
No adjusting or making some math formulas, just select the function you want on a meter and the scanner does all the math for you thus you can see your averages for any function like LTFT, timing, knock and not have to import it to a excel spreadsheet and do the math.
This way when looking at the meter your not guessing but the scanner is averaging for you.
Looks like this :
<img src="http://teamzr1.com/pcmecm/Perfectmeter.gif" alt=" - " />
(BTW, as this testrun showed, PE (WOT) is not just trim cell 22 or TPS greater then 99.6%)
Other new features is hot keys so while your driving you can more safely use spacebar to pause scan or record, or hit a hotkey to save to disk or save and go to scan mode or save to and return to record mode.
Main PID screen now allows font and color changes.
Login before connecting loads your last PID group used to load as a default.
A bunch more enhanced DTCs were added for newest cars and for the Pro version lets say on a 99 C5, the Pro versions bi directional test mode allows you to test an injector by commanding more or less pulse width, or go to open loop, or turn fans on, etc.
Body and chassie modules for Pro version I also like, a guy had a problem with a oil pressure gauge and I could ask scanner to show me the dash and all functions in the cluster are now on scanner screen and we could tell what pressure the oil sensor was putting out and know if it was the gauge or sensor bad.
Also query the radio and see if password was set on its alarm or even can see how the seats or outside mirror is adjusted.
Several hundred functions within car can be monitored bysides the PCM.
As my norm of beating up products I test, I connected the scanner to the PCM then started a recording, then shut engine down while scanner still in the record mode for the whole night and next morning just turned the key on and scanner auto reconnected and continued to record where it left off the night before.
Captured Frames per second has been increased and where a test run of mine of the same distance was 12,000 recorded PCM cycles is now around 18,000.
<small>[ September 13, 2002, 07:57 PM: Message edited by: Team ZR-1 ]</small>
I have been BETA testing both versions for some time now. Ease was nice enough to take my input and add features I thought would be useful for the tuner type of user.
One cool new feature is the meters functions now not only tell you the min, max, at this moment but also the averages.
No adjusting or making some math formulas, just select the function you want on a meter and the scanner does all the math for you thus you can see your averages for any function like LTFT, timing, knock and not have to import it to a excel spreadsheet and do the math.
This way when looking at the meter your not guessing but the scanner is averaging for you.
Looks like this :
<img src="http://teamzr1.com/pcmecm/Perfectmeter.gif" alt=" - " />
(BTW, as this testrun showed, PE (WOT) is not just trim cell 22 or TPS greater then 99.6%)
Other new features is hot keys so while your driving you can more safely use spacebar to pause scan or record, or hit a hotkey to save to disk or save and go to scan mode or save to and return to record mode.
Main PID screen now allows font and color changes.
Login before connecting loads your last PID group used to load as a default.
A bunch more enhanced DTCs were added for newest cars and for the Pro version lets say on a 99 C5, the Pro versions bi directional test mode allows you to test an injector by commanding more or less pulse width, or go to open loop, or turn fans on, etc.
Body and chassie modules for Pro version I also like, a guy had a problem with a oil pressure gauge and I could ask scanner to show me the dash and all functions in the cluster are now on scanner screen and we could tell what pressure the oil sensor was putting out and know if it was the gauge or sensor bad.
Also query the radio and see if password was set on its alarm or even can see how the seats or outside mirror is adjusted.
Several hundred functions within car can be monitored bysides the PCM.
As my norm of beating up products I test, I connected the scanner to the PCM then started a recording, then shut engine down while scanner still in the record mode for the whole night and next morning just turned the key on and scanner auto reconnected and continued to record where it left off the night before.
Captured Frames per second has been increased and where a test run of mine of the same distance was 12,000 recorded PCM cycles is now around 18,000.
<small>[ September 13, 2002, 07:57 PM: Message edited by: Team ZR-1 ]</small>
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Re: Ease V2 scanner released JB,
Ease still uses the same prices for V2 as the V1 was so if people come to me I still use the pricing Ease lists on their website.
I assume your asking about the GM Personal OBD-II enhanced versiom, $345.
Ease still uses the same prices for V2 as the V1 was so if people come to me I still use the pricing Ease lists on their website.
I assume your asking about the GM Personal OBD-II enhanced versiom, $345.
Re: Ease V2 scanner released ****! I just ordered EFI Live V5 yesterday! Maybe I can cancell the order. Or maybe EFI Live V5 will come out with an upgraded software that will include averages??? What do you think?
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Re: Ease V2 scanner released </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by PewterZ28:
<strong>****! I just ordered EFI Live V5 yesterday! Maybe I can cancell the order. Or maybe EFI Live V5 will come out with an upgraded software that will include averages??? What do you think?
Derrick</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I hope you haven't been mislead into thinking that just because Ease v2 has come out with some new features that EFILiveV5 doesn't already have them...
EFILiveV5 already has ALL PIDs calculating real time min/max/average.
Also you can select just a portion of your log and see min/max/averages calculated for just the selected data. Ease can't do that.
Also you can create user defined aggregate PIDs can calculate min/max/average/sum based on the values of other PIDs. For example you could calculate your fuel trim averages for ONLY the frames that contain a certian set of fuel trim cell values. Ease can't do that.
EFILiveV5 has always had hot key control.
EFILiveV5 has always had customisable font shapes, sizes, colors and background colors.
EFILiveV5 can also be left for as long as you like with ignition off and it will resume scanning as soon as the ignition is turned back on.
These "features" may be then newest thing for Ease but EFILiveV5 already has them.
One thing Ease does that EFILiveV5 does not is scan data from modules other than the PCM. EFILiveV5 is not a general purpose scan tool. It is only designed to scan your Powertrain Control Module.
I don't want to get into a "feature" war with Team-ZR1, there are many things that Ease will do that EFILiveV5 will not. But there are also things that we believe are more important (than emissions control) for the performance enthusiast that EFILiveV5 is good at.
Regards
Paul
<strong>****! I just ordered EFI Live V5 yesterday! Maybe I can cancell the order. Or maybe EFI Live V5 will come out with an upgraded software that will include averages??? What do you think?
Derrick</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I hope you haven't been mislead into thinking that just because Ease v2 has come out with some new features that EFILiveV5 doesn't already have them...
EFILiveV5 already has ALL PIDs calculating real time min/max/average.
Also you can select just a portion of your log and see min/max/averages calculated for just the selected data. Ease can't do that.
Also you can create user defined aggregate PIDs can calculate min/max/average/sum based on the values of other PIDs. For example you could calculate your fuel trim averages for ONLY the frames that contain a certian set of fuel trim cell values. Ease can't do that.
EFILiveV5 has always had hot key control.
EFILiveV5 has always had customisable font shapes, sizes, colors and background colors.
EFILiveV5 can also be left for as long as you like with ignition off and it will resume scanning as soon as the ignition is turned back on.
These "features" may be then newest thing for Ease but EFILiveV5 already has them.
One thing Ease does that EFILiveV5 does not is scan data from modules other than the PCM. EFILiveV5 is not a general purpose scan tool. It is only designed to scan your Powertrain Control Module.
I don't want to get into a "feature" war with Team-ZR1, there are many things that Ease will do that EFILiveV5 will not. But there are also things that we believe are more important (than emissions control) for the performance enthusiast that EFILiveV5 is good at.
Regards
Paul
Re: Ease V2 scanner released Sweet! My bad. I did not know that EFILiveV5 could do real time averages. I didn't want to have to put the data into excell and stuff. Don't even know how to do that. I'm sure it's not too bad but it would have been even something more to learn.
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Re: Ease V2 scanner released I hope you haven't been mislead into thinking that just because Ease v2 has come out with some new features that EFILiveV5 doesn't already have them...
there was nothing in this thread I started that MISLEAD anyone !.
Ease understands the end user and all they have to do is select the meter function and all math is instantly done, user does nothing.
On the other hand your product requires the end user to play computer math games
<img src="http://teamzr1.com/temp/evical.gif" alt=" - " />
The user needs degrees in math and computer functions just to build the Cal PID.
Where's the help button Paul ?
Why is there a limit on what can be calculated ?
EFILiveV5 already has ALL PIDs calculating real time min/max/average.
Also you can select just a portion of your log and see min/max/averages calculated for just the selected data. Ease can't do that.
You do not even own an V2 Ease scanner so as the norm your incorrect, any Ease recording can be replayed and step from any point in the recording to see the math values
Also you can create user defined aggregate PIDs can calculate min/max/average/sum based on the values of other PIDs. For example you could calculate your fuel trim averages for ONLY the frames that contain a certian set of fuel trim cell values. Ease can't do that.
it does not need to for it already gives the user the computed functions math for ALL GM enhanced or SAE PIDs.
I suggest you buy V2 Ease and use it and then say what it does and does not do
EFILiveV5 has always had hot key control.
not to the extent Ease has, I know, the last Efilive I tested is 5.24.0 424 code builds !
EFILiveV5 has always had customisable font shapes, sizes, colors and background colors.
EFILiveV5 can also be left for as long as you like with ignition off and it will resume scanning as soon as the ignition is turned back on.
Wrong, not when it comes to a C5 Corvette, I have tested your scanner now on over 1 dozen C5s and if fails EPA requirements. Your's just goes into a link state but never really attempts to resolve a lost link over long term loss.
In fact since your dependent on autotap interface your stuck as to how badly it handles lost VPW and CSMA/RD functions
These "features" may be then newest thing for Ease but EFILiveV5 already has them.
One thing Ease does that EFILiveV5 does not is scan data from modules other than the PCM. EFILiveV5 is not a general purpose scan tool. It is only designed to scan your Powertrain Control Module.
[b[ great market term "general", a scanner being sold as a GM enhanced, should then support ALL PIDs for the model year that it is connected to and clearly the price you charge for your PRO version should be supporting ALL the OBD-II PIDS the car has which includes ALL modules in the car [/b]
I don't want to get into a "feature" war with Team-ZR1, there are many things that Ease will do that EFILiveV5 will not. But there are also things that we believe are more important (than emissions control) for the performance enthusiast that EFILiveV5 is good at.
Regards
Paul[/QB][/QUOTE]
Efilive marketing claims is that it is special to the LS1, when the following PIDs are supported in ALL GM cars/trucks :
<img src="http://teamzr1.com/temp/evipids.gif" alt=" - " />
Yet in your case as shown you select 19 MAX functions, and the game is over, your not allowed/refused to even select more LS1 OBD-II functions whereas I unhook your scanner from the same C5 and replace it with Ease scanner and can now see :
<img src="http://teamzr1.com/temp/easepids.gif" alt=" - " />
So you had 19 MAX functions, I went TEN times more, or 195 functions and all are scanned in realtime !
Now that is misleading, Efilive does NOT allow owner to see ALL LS1 functions as they see fit but a small volume as Efilive dictates due to it's design limits.
So it still stands, I own an American car, use and support an American scanner that is high in quality, is recommended by EPA for USA smog testing, and what your's does for your country and the Holden car is great for you but my 20 years of testing GM test tools say the Ease scanner is the best I have tested for cars designed from 1983 to present and if a better one came out I would not blink to switch to it.
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there was nothing in this thread I started that MISLEAD anyone !.
Ease understands the end user and all they have to do is select the meter function and all math is instantly done, user does nothing.
On the other hand your product requires the end user to play computer math games
<img src="http://teamzr1.com/temp/evical.gif" alt=" - " />
The user needs degrees in math and computer functions just to build the Cal PID.
Where's the help button Paul ?
Why is there a limit on what can be calculated ?
EFILiveV5 already has ALL PIDs calculating real time min/max/average.
Also you can select just a portion of your log and see min/max/averages calculated for just the selected data. Ease can't do that.
You do not even own an V2 Ease scanner so as the norm your incorrect, any Ease recording can be replayed and step from any point in the recording to see the math values
Also you can create user defined aggregate PIDs can calculate min/max/average/sum based on the values of other PIDs. For example you could calculate your fuel trim averages for ONLY the frames that contain a certian set of fuel trim cell values. Ease can't do that.
it does not need to for it already gives the user the computed functions math for ALL GM enhanced or SAE PIDs.
I suggest you buy V2 Ease and use it and then say what it does and does not do
EFILiveV5 has always had hot key control.
not to the extent Ease has, I know, the last Efilive I tested is 5.24.0 424 code builds !
EFILiveV5 has always had customisable font shapes, sizes, colors and background colors.
EFILiveV5 can also be left for as long as you like with ignition off and it will resume scanning as soon as the ignition is turned back on.
Wrong, not when it comes to a C5 Corvette, I have tested your scanner now on over 1 dozen C5s and if fails EPA requirements. Your's just goes into a link state but never really attempts to resolve a lost link over long term loss.
In fact since your dependent on autotap interface your stuck as to how badly it handles lost VPW and CSMA/RD functions
These "features" may be then newest thing for Ease but EFILiveV5 already has them.
One thing Ease does that EFILiveV5 does not is scan data from modules other than the PCM. EFILiveV5 is not a general purpose scan tool. It is only designed to scan your Powertrain Control Module.
[b[ great market term "general", a scanner being sold as a GM enhanced, should then support ALL PIDs for the model year that it is connected to and clearly the price you charge for your PRO version should be supporting ALL the OBD-II PIDS the car has which includes ALL modules in the car [/b]
I don't want to get into a "feature" war with Team-ZR1, there are many things that Ease will do that EFILiveV5 will not. But there are also things that we believe are more important (than emissions control) for the performance enthusiast that EFILiveV5 is good at.
Regards
Paul[/QB][/QUOTE]
Efilive marketing claims is that it is special to the LS1, when the following PIDs are supported in ALL GM cars/trucks :
<img src="http://teamzr1.com/temp/evipids.gif" alt=" - " />
Yet in your case as shown you select 19 MAX functions, and the game is over, your not allowed/refused to even select more LS1 OBD-II functions whereas I unhook your scanner from the same C5 and replace it with Ease scanner and can now see :
<img src="http://teamzr1.com/temp/easepids.gif" alt=" - " />
So you had 19 MAX functions, I went TEN times more, or 195 functions and all are scanned in realtime !
Now that is misleading, Efilive does NOT allow owner to see ALL LS1 functions as they see fit but a small volume as Efilive dictates due to it's design limits.
So it still stands, I own an American car, use and support an American scanner that is high in quality, is recommended by EPA for USA smog testing, and what your's does for your country and the Holden car is great for you but my 20 years of testing GM test tools say the Ease scanner is the best I have tested for cars designed from 1983 to present and if a better one came out I would not blink to switch to it.
<small>[ September 15, 2002, 08:05 PM: Message edited by: Team ZR-1 ]</small>
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Verdad Gallardo Re: Ease V2 scanner released John,
As the designer of the product I will ALWAYS know more about how it works than a user. You are free to say what you like, but I would respect your opinion more if what you said was correct.
Min/max/avg is auto calculated, you don't need the calculated PIDs they are an added bonus if anyone wants to do some power logging.
By the way John, the help button is on the toolbar and it would show you this if you clicked on it:
http://www.starrperformance.com.au/e...calc_index.htm
Based on the user feedback for EFILiveV5 you're pretty much out on your own John, The vast majority of critical comments about EFILiveV5 on these forums are from you - an Ease reseller. Go figure!
It's a rare day when we don't get a positive email about EFIliveV5 from a user. Even ones that have used Ease and switched over to EFILiveV5.
Regards
Paul
P.S. John, how's your freeware scanner project going? It should be just about ready by now -after all it's not difficult to write a scan tool is it?
As the designer of the product I will ALWAYS know more about how it works than a user. You are free to say what you like, but I would respect your opinion more if what you said was correct.
Min/max/avg is auto calculated, you don't need the calculated PIDs they are an added bonus if anyone wants to do some power logging.
By the way John, the help button is on the toolbar and it would show you this if you clicked on it:
http://www.starrperformance.com.au/e...calc_index.htm
Based on the user feedback for EFILiveV5 you're pretty much out on your own John, The vast majority of critical comments about EFILiveV5 on these forums are from you - an Ease reseller. Go figure!
It's a rare day when we don't get a positive email about EFIliveV5 from a user. Even ones that have used Ease and switched over to EFILiveV5.
Regards
Paul
P.S. John, how's your freeware scanner project going? It should be just about ready by now -after all it's not difficult to write a scan tool is it?
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Re: Ease V2 scanner released </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by John B:
<strong>How much is it John?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">JB, Ease just announced :
The update part # PER-GM2-01-SW lists for $75
V2 can be installed on Windows XP, it supports newer cars so more DTCs were added. You now can store up to 30 cars scan history.
You'll enjoy the auto averaging of any functions you have in the meters screen labled, min/max/avg and it will be saved into recording so when you replay and select different functions in a meter the average values will be computed.
This I wanted added so people do not have to bug me to Excel analyze their recordings <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
If you get the upgrade and tell Ease I am the rep then I will support your Ease support needs, if not then go the rep you use.
Read the new manual on how to use hotkeys or change fonts and colors to PIDs.
I tested V2 daily for at least the last 2 months so know how the new feature function.
<strong>How much is it John?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">JB, Ease just announced :
The update part # PER-GM2-01-SW lists for $75
V2 can be installed on Windows XP, it supports newer cars so more DTCs were added. You now can store up to 30 cars scan history.
You'll enjoy the auto averaging of any functions you have in the meters screen labled, min/max/avg and it will be saved into recording so when you replay and select different functions in a meter the average values will be computed.
This I wanted added so people do not have to bug me to Excel analyze their recordings <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
If you get the upgrade and tell Ease I am the rep then I will support your Ease support needs, if not then go the rep you use.
Read the new manual on how to use hotkeys or change fonts and colors to PIDs.
I tested V2 daily for at least the last 2 months so know how the new feature function.
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Re: Ease V2 scanner released Originally posted by EFIliveV5:
John,
As the designer of the product I will ALWAYS know more about how it works than a user. You are free to say what you like, but I would respect your opinion more if what you said was correct.
what I posted was the scanners talking, they show what is correct or not, clearly everytime you are asked why your scanner prevents less then 1 tenth of the PIDS to be concurrently selected, or why SAE PIDs have to be used within a LS1 special scanner, etc, etc, you slide right on by answering.
Min/max/avg is auto calculated, you don't need the calculated PIDs they are an added bonus if anyone wants to do some power logging.
your own EFI Cal function says otherwise
By the way John, the help button is on the toolbar and it would show you this if you clicked on it:
http://www.starrperformance.com.au/e...calc_index.htm
right so a complex feature requiring "and, ors, nors, etc" has no help button but have to go somewhere else for general help info
Based on the user feedback for EFILiveV5 you're pretty much out on your own John, The vast majority of critical comments about EFILiveV5 on these forums are from you - an Ease reseller. Go figure!
Yes I get people using your scanner wanting to move to Ease, esp C5 owners, lets face it very few people will step up in a forum and say they are unhappy with a vendor's product. Many users may not even know the scanner is lacking, giving invalid results, etc, unless they are told, they assume all is well.
Your making a big long term mistake again calling me an Ease RESELLER, for I am not !
Not one person bought and got their Ease scanner directly from me. They buy scanner through me so that they then get FREE techie support from me just as a guy did last night, on a sunday at 9 PM on the phone for 2 hours helping them for FREE, that's what I do. As far as my views, tough luck, after testing Efilive scanner for several months I just have the American right to the freedom of speech and let someone else worry about the politics.
A forum is for car owners to share their experiences good or bad and not worry some vendor does not like them for if you think this is bad you should see what is said on my forum, websites and internet Corvette e-mail systems. Best part is I own them <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
It's a rare day when we don't get a positive email about EFIliveV5 from a user. Even ones that have used Ease and switched over to EFILiveV5.
I doubt anyone on your country would complain, they rather buy from a vendor in their country but then you hook onto B&B to make it look like a USA product to us customers here.
This last weekend I did a full day of testing different vendors scanners across several C5s, the owners were not impressed with Efilive or autotap V2 and next month this will be repeated at a chassie dyno, 3 runs per 20 C5s, each run a different scanner will be used so do not think I am testing in a blind with no one viewing these tests.
Regards
Paul
P.S. John, how's your freeware scanner project going? It should be just about ready by now -after all it's not difficult to write a scan tool is it?
as a member of SAE, past cochair of IEEE and ANSI standard body work gtoups I know more then you think.
I may be one of the few with a fully functional pocket P/C that does true GM enhanced OBD-II for all PCM based f-body, C5s and it does bi directional to boot.
<small>[ September 16, 2002, 09:41 PM: Message edited by: Team ZR-1 ]</small>
John,
As the designer of the product I will ALWAYS know more about how it works than a user. You are free to say what you like, but I would respect your opinion more if what you said was correct.
what I posted was the scanners talking, they show what is correct or not, clearly everytime you are asked why your scanner prevents less then 1 tenth of the PIDS to be concurrently selected, or why SAE PIDs have to be used within a LS1 special scanner, etc, etc, you slide right on by answering.
Min/max/avg is auto calculated, you don't need the calculated PIDs they are an added bonus if anyone wants to do some power logging.
your own EFI Cal function says otherwise
By the way John, the help button is on the toolbar and it would show you this if you clicked on it:
http://www.starrperformance.com.au/e...calc_index.htm
right so a complex feature requiring "and, ors, nors, etc" has no help button but have to go somewhere else for general help info
Based on the user feedback for EFILiveV5 you're pretty much out on your own John, The vast majority of critical comments about EFILiveV5 on these forums are from you - an Ease reseller. Go figure!
Yes I get people using your scanner wanting to move to Ease, esp C5 owners, lets face it very few people will step up in a forum and say they are unhappy with a vendor's product. Many users may not even know the scanner is lacking, giving invalid results, etc, unless they are told, they assume all is well.
Your making a big long term mistake again calling me an Ease RESELLER, for I am not !
Not one person bought and got their Ease scanner directly from me. They buy scanner through me so that they then get FREE techie support from me just as a guy did last night, on a sunday at 9 PM on the phone for 2 hours helping them for FREE, that's what I do. As far as my views, tough luck, after testing Efilive scanner for several months I just have the American right to the freedom of speech and let someone else worry about the politics.
A forum is for car owners to share their experiences good or bad and not worry some vendor does not like them for if you think this is bad you should see what is said on my forum, websites and internet Corvette e-mail systems. Best part is I own them <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
It's a rare day when we don't get a positive email about EFIliveV5 from a user. Even ones that have used Ease and switched over to EFILiveV5.
I doubt anyone on your country would complain, they rather buy from a vendor in their country but then you hook onto B&B to make it look like a USA product to us customers here.
This last weekend I did a full day of testing different vendors scanners across several C5s, the owners were not impressed with Efilive or autotap V2 and next month this will be repeated at a chassie dyno, 3 runs per 20 C5s, each run a different scanner will be used so do not think I am testing in a blind with no one viewing these tests.
Regards
Paul
P.S. John, how's your freeware scanner project going? It should be just about ready by now -after all it's not difficult to write a scan tool is it?
as a member of SAE, past cochair of IEEE and ANSI standard body work gtoups I know more then you think.
I may be one of the few with a fully functional pocket P/C that does true GM enhanced OBD-II for all PCM based f-body, C5s and it does bi directional to boot.
<small>[ September 16, 2002, 09:41 PM: Message edited by: Team ZR-1 ]</small>
Re: Ease V2 scanner released Hi John,
This is getting tedious....
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">clearly everytime you are asked why your scanner prevents less then 1 tenth of the PIDS to be concurrently selected...</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">There is no design issue preventing us from displaying as many pids as can be retrieved from the PCM.
We specifically limited the number of PIDs for the following reason:
GM provide a "manufacturer specific" high speed scan mode. Regardless of what you think you know about that particular scan mode it is limited by the PCM to 24 bytes of data per frame. Whatever PIDs can be "selected" by the user to fit into those 24 bytes of data can be scanned at 10 frames per second.
Other scan modes (EFILiveV5 supports 4 different scan modes) do not have this limit.
However the speed of the other scan modes will degenerate as you select more PIDs.
Selecting 190 PIDs is a good marketing gimmick but the slow update rate would make the data next to useless for any serious performance tuning work. Just how long did it take to update ALL 190 PIDs John?
EFILiveV5 is a performance tuning tool - not an emmissions testing tool, and not a general purpose scan tool.
Because it's sole focus is performance tuning we see no reason to select more than about 30 parameters for scanning. Doing so only makes the update rate too slow and vital data can be lost.
Based on our experience it's not worth logging data at anything less than 5 frames per second.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">or why SAE PIDs have to be used within a LS1 special scanner</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">John, you keep bringing this one up.
What do you think is the difference between logging the SAE mandated PIDs and the manufacturer PIDs for the same sensor data?
Do you think they will give different results?
Do you think the update speed is any different?
Why do you make out it is not a good thing to use the SAE PIDs?
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">your own EFI Cal function says otherwise</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Min/max/avg is auto calculated - on the F7 tab page - whether you set up any calculated PIDs or not the min/max/avg will be displayed. Why can't you see that?
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">right so a complex feature requiring "and, ors, nors, etc" has no help button but have to go somewhere else for general help info</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">As I said the help button is on the tool bar - the help files ship with the software - I don't know what you mean by "has no help button". I don't know what you mean by "go somewhere else".
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">A forum is for car owners to share their experiences good or bad and not worry some vendor does not like them </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I agree, but just as importantly when someone posts incorrect information to these forums it is also prudent to correct them lest anyone is misled by that incorrect information. I will always post corrections to anything that is said about our products that is incorrect.
And John, I do not dislike you. I do not even dislike what you say. Sometimes I think what you say is wrong and I reserve my rights to post corrections to what you say.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This last weekend I did a full day of testing different vendors scanners across several C5s, the owners were not impressed with Efilive or autotap V2 and next month this will be repeated at a chassie dyno, 3 runs per 20 C5s, each run a different scanner will be used so do not think I am testing in a blind with no one viewing these tests</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm glad you're getting the message across that scanners are useful tools. I do not concern myself with how many people you convince to use Ease or convince not to use EFIlive. If those people really need the full functionality of Ease and can afford to pay for it then by all means they should buy it. That's just common sense.
But when people can see that EFILiveV5 solves their specific scan tool needs for their specific budget they will buy it. If EFILiveV5 does not solve their scan tool needs they will buy something else - it has a 30 day full money back gaurantee. I would never try to convince someone to buy a tool that wasn't right for them.
Regards
Paul
This is getting tedious....
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">clearly everytime you are asked why your scanner prevents less then 1 tenth of the PIDS to be concurrently selected...</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">There is no design issue preventing us from displaying as many pids as can be retrieved from the PCM.
We specifically limited the number of PIDs for the following reason:
GM provide a "manufacturer specific" high speed scan mode. Regardless of what you think you know about that particular scan mode it is limited by the PCM to 24 bytes of data per frame. Whatever PIDs can be "selected" by the user to fit into those 24 bytes of data can be scanned at 10 frames per second.
Other scan modes (EFILiveV5 supports 4 different scan modes) do not have this limit.
However the speed of the other scan modes will degenerate as you select more PIDs.
Selecting 190 PIDs is a good marketing gimmick but the slow update rate would make the data next to useless for any serious performance tuning work. Just how long did it take to update ALL 190 PIDs John?
EFILiveV5 is a performance tuning tool - not an emmissions testing tool, and not a general purpose scan tool.
Because it's sole focus is performance tuning we see no reason to select more than about 30 parameters for scanning. Doing so only makes the update rate too slow and vital data can be lost.
Based on our experience it's not worth logging data at anything less than 5 frames per second.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">or why SAE PIDs have to be used within a LS1 special scanner</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">John, you keep bringing this one up.
What do you think is the difference between logging the SAE mandated PIDs and the manufacturer PIDs for the same sensor data?
Do you think they will give different results?
Do you think the update speed is any different?
Why do you make out it is not a good thing to use the SAE PIDs?
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">your own EFI Cal function says otherwise</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Min/max/avg is auto calculated - on the F7 tab page - whether you set up any calculated PIDs or not the min/max/avg will be displayed. Why can't you see that?
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">right so a complex feature requiring "and, ors, nors, etc" has no help button but have to go somewhere else for general help info</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">As I said the help button is on the tool bar - the help files ship with the software - I don't know what you mean by "has no help button". I don't know what you mean by "go somewhere else".
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">A forum is for car owners to share their experiences good or bad and not worry some vendor does not like them </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I agree, but just as importantly when someone posts incorrect information to these forums it is also prudent to correct them lest anyone is misled by that incorrect information. I will always post corrections to anything that is said about our products that is incorrect.
And John, I do not dislike you. I do not even dislike what you say. Sometimes I think what you say is wrong and I reserve my rights to post corrections to what you say.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This last weekend I did a full day of testing different vendors scanners across several C5s, the owners were not impressed with Efilive or autotap V2 and next month this will be repeated at a chassie dyno, 3 runs per 20 C5s, each run a different scanner will be used so do not think I am testing in a blind with no one viewing these tests</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm glad you're getting the message across that scanners are useful tools. I do not concern myself with how many people you convince to use Ease or convince not to use EFIlive. If those people really need the full functionality of Ease and can afford to pay for it then by all means they should buy it. That's just common sense.
But when people can see that EFILiveV5 solves their specific scan tool needs for their specific budget they will buy it. If EFILiveV5 does not solve their scan tool needs they will buy something else - it has a 30 day full money back gaurantee. I would never try to convince someone to buy a tool that wasn't right for them.
Regards
Paul
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Re: Ease V2 scanner released You know this is truely a sad situation. Seeing two aplication developers argueing it out online is pathetic, particularly when it comes to our GM machines. After all, there are not that many aplications, or developers out there willing to create afordable programs, to custom tune our cars. The import guys are way ahead of us when it comes to working with computer controls, and **** like this goesn't help guys like me show them some F-body tail lights. I suggest that insted of fighting it out, we all work together, it's not like there aren't plenty of challenges to over come. Personaly I think this type of BS is just symptomatic of a larger problem, of greed comebined with ego! It's no wonder a guy like me is tempted to pull the LS1 right out of my 95 Camaro (after spending tons of time, dropping it in and getting it to work) and dropping in a carbed big block, when we have to pay **** load of $$$ for the various programs we need.
I'll say something else about what crap like this does. It confuses the big picture for people like me. I can't seem to get a clear idea as to what damn scan tool, or data logging program I need. We got people saying that thier program does this, and other saying it doesnt. I'm no idiot when it comes to computers either. I've got 3 years of electrical engineering, and I work as a building controls tech, so it's not like I'm without a clue, but with all this BS'ing, who knows whats going on. Thanx guys! Flame on! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" />
I'll say something else about what crap like this does. It confuses the big picture for people like me. I can't seem to get a clear idea as to what damn scan tool, or data logging program I need. We got people saying that thier program does this, and other saying it doesnt. I'm no idiot when it comes to computers either. I've got 3 years of electrical engineering, and I work as a building controls tech, so it's not like I'm without a clue, but with all this BS'ing, who knows whats going on. Thanx guys! Flame on! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" />
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Re: Ease V2 scanner released My T/A is my first ever GM product, and the bullshit began the moment I walked into my local bullshit Pontiac dealership, and the bullshit has just continued all the way down the line, from the bullshit sales manager saying I was approved for a loan, letting me take the car home, and a few days later saying that my loan fell through hoping to bilk me out of my downpayment, and taking the car back (my only recourse was to sell some stocks and pay cash for the car), to the service department (no need to elaborate here), to the aftermarket product bullshit, to the computer program tuning bullshit, to the online circle jerk clique bullshit, to the withholding of tuning information bullshit (even from the vendors who sell these tuning products), to the car club bullshit, to the bullshit bullshit. You've even got bullshit from the bullshit vendors bullshitting each other with more bullshit.
Re: Ease V2 scanner released My humble apologies to DCPunkSteve and Predator. My intent was not to bullshit anyone.
I truly do not know whether it is better to ignore some of the claims Team-ZR1 makes about EFILiveV5 and let confusion reign, or to respond and risk a flame war. It's a fine line to tread.
I guess I'll just ignore those comments from now on.
Regards
Paul
I truly do not know whether it is better to ignore some of the claims Team-ZR1 makes about EFILiveV5 and let confusion reign, or to respond and risk a flame war. It's a fine line to tread.
I guess I'll just ignore those comments from now on.
Regards
Paul
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Re: Ease V2 scanner released Heck, I'm just happy John (Team ZR-1) didn't mention AutoTap for a change. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> I guess he now sees EFILive as a new threat... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> John, a product will sell on it's own merits, not on picking on the competitors. Don't you think? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
Paul, you will RARELY see a developer/vendor respond on forums. I commend you for trying to set the record straight among a sea of continual misinformation. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
Paul, you will RARELY see a developer/vendor respond on forums. I commend you for trying to set the record straight among a sea of continual misinformation. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
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Re: Ease V2 scanner released "Selecting 190 PIDs is a good marketing gimmick but the slow update rate would make the data next to useless for any serious performance tuning work. Just how long did it take to update ALL 190 PIDs John?"
I'm glad Paul made this statement. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
I'm glad Paul made this statement. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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Re: Ease V2 scanner released </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by John@PACE:
<strong>Heck, I'm just happy John (Team ZR-1) didn't mention AutoTap for a change. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> I guess he now sees EFILive as a new threat... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> John, a product will sell on it's own merits, not on picking on the competitors. Don't you think? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
Paul, you will RARELY see a developer/vendor respond on forums. I commend you for trying to set the record straight among a sea of continual misinformation. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well put. I got the "threat" impression too from what I was reading. Pretty sad..
<strong>Heck, I'm just happy John (Team ZR-1) didn't mention AutoTap for a change. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> I guess he now sees EFILive as a new threat... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> John, a product will sell on it's own merits, not on picking on the competitors. Don't you think? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
Paul, you will RARELY see a developer/vendor respond on forums. I commend you for trying to set the record straight among a sea of continual misinformation. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well put. I got the "threat" impression too from what I was reading. Pretty sad..
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Re: Ease V2 scanner released you all can call it what you like, but i personally like threads like this, eventhough they sometimes get out of hand. as a buyer, threads like this allow me to read through all of the claims and rebuttals and decide for myself what is bullshit and what is fact. i purchased one of the two scanners at question before reading this thread, and i am even further satisfied with my decision after reading this thread.
if it were not for threads like this, what does the buyer have to base his purchasing descisions upon? the biased claims that current users of the products state? how many people have actually used all three of the available pc based scanners?
anyway, those are my thoughts. go ahead and flame me for expressing my opinion. i'm sure someone will.
if it were not for threads like this, what does the buyer have to base his purchasing descisions upon? the biased claims that current users of the products state? how many people have actually used all three of the available pc based scanners?
anyway, those are my thoughts. go ahead and flame me for expressing my opinion. i'm sure someone will.