p0172 p0175 codes
04-10-2003, 10:31 PM
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p0172 p0175 codes have a 2000 ta,,,ses light on and pulled codes, p0327 and p0175 and p0172,have a knock sensor to put in . But what about the rich bank 1 and rich bank 2? replaced o2 sensors, reset pcm,and light stayed out. Filled the tank with prem. and added a bottle of stp gas treat.(Bought the car used story about that one)drove approx. 20 miles ses light back on. Car now runs rough at idle and at highway speed 70-80 mph. help?
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Re: p0172 p0175 codes See a thread below for P0327. I posted it in there the other day.
P0172
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">DTC P0172 Fuel Trim System Rich Bank 1
Circuit Description
The powertrain control module (PCM) controls a Closed Loop air/fuel metering system in order to provide the best possible combination of driveability, fuel economy, and emission control. The PCM monitors the heated oxygen sensor (HO2S) signal voltage and adjusts the fuel delivery based on the signal voltage while in Closed Loop. A change made to the fuel delivery changes the long and short term fuel trim values. The short term fuel trim values change rapidly in response to the HO2S signal voltages. These changes fine tune the engine fueling. The long term fuel trim values change in response to trends in the short term fuel trim. The long term fuel trim makes coarse adjustments to fueling in order to re-center and restore control to short term fuel trim. You can use a scan tool in order to monitor the short and long term fuel trim. The ideal fuel trim values are around 0 percent. A positive fuel trim value indicates that the PCM is adding fuel in order to compensate for a lean condition. A negative fuel trim value indicates that the PCM is reducing the amount of fuel in order to compensate for a rich condition. If the PCM detects an excessively Rich or Lean condition, the PCM sets a diagnostic trouble code (DTC). The long term fuel trim diagnostic parameter is an average of several of the long term speed load learn cells which the PCM selects based on the engine speed and the engine load.
Conditions for Running the DTC
- DTCs P0101, P0102, P0103, P0107, P0108, P0112, P0113, P0117, P0118, P0121, P0122, P0123, P0125, P0200, P0300, P0335, P0336, P0351-P0358, P0405, P0410, P0412, P0418, P0443, P0500, P0502, P0503, P1258, P1404, P1415, P1416 not set.
- The engine coolant temperature is between 50°C (122°F) and 115°C (239°F).
- The barometric pressure is more than 74 kPa.
- The mass air flow is between 5.0 g/s and 90 g/s.
- The manifold absolute pressure is between 26 kPa and 90 kPa.
- The intake air temperature is between -20°C (-4°F) and 90°C (194°F).
- The engine speed is between 400 RPM and 3,000 RPM.
- The TP sensor angle is less than 90 percent.
- The vehicle speed is less than 137 km/h (85 mph).
Conditions for Setting the DTC
- The average Long Term Fuel Trim cell values are below a predetermined threshold.
- All the above conditions are present for 40 seconds.
Action Taken When the DTC Sets
- The PCM illuminates the Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) on the second consecutive ignition cycle that the diagnostic runs and fails, if the diagnostic fails under the same conditions (load, RPM, temperature, etc.) as the previous ignition cycle that the test ran and failed.
- The first time the diagnostic fails, the PCM records the operating conditions in Failure Records.
- The second consecutive ignition cycle that this diagnostic fails [under the same conditions (load, RPM, temperature, etc.) as the previous ignition cycle that the test ran and failed], the PCM stores this information in Freeze Frame. The PCM copies any data previously stored in Freeze Frame and copies the data into the Failure Records. The PCM then overwrites the Freeze Frame. The only exception to this is if a Misfire DTC was already recorded in Freeze Frame. In this case, the Misfire data stays in Freeze Frame and the PCM updates the Fuel Trim data in the Failure Records.
Conditions for Clearing the MIL/DTC
- The PCM turns the MIL OFF after three consecutive ignition cycles that the diagnostic runs and does not fail within the same conditions that the DTC last failed.
Important
If the last failure was during a non-typical driving condition, the MIL may remain ON longer than the three ignition cycles. Review the Freeze Frame/Failure Records for the last failure conditions.
- A History DTC clears after forty consecutive warm-up cycles, if this or any other emission related diagnostic does not report any failures.
- A last test failed (Current DTC) clears when the diagnostic runs and does not fail.
- Use a scan tool in order to clear the MIL/DTC.
Diagnostic Aids
Important
- Remove any debris from the PCM connector surfaces before servicing the PCM. Inspect the PCM connector gaskets when diagnosing/replacing the PCM. Ensure that the gaskets are installed correctly. The gaskets prevent contaminant intrusion into the PCM.
- For any test that requires probing the PCM or component harness connectors, use the J 35616-A connector test adapter kit. Using this kit prevents any damage to the harness connector terminals. Refer to Using Connector Test Adapters in Wiring Systems for procedures.
Using the Freeze Frame and/or Failure Records data may aid in locating an intermittent condition. If you cannot duplicate the DTC, the information included in the Freeze Frame and/or Failure Records data can help determine how many miles since the DTC set. The Fail Counter and Pass Counter can also help determine how many ignition cycles the diagnostic reported a pass and/or a fail. Operate the vehicle within the same freeze frame conditions (RPM, load, vehicle speed, temperature etc.) that you observed. This will isolate when the DTC failed.
For an intermittent condition, refer to Symptoms .
Test Description
The numbers below refer to the step numbers on the diagnostic table.
2) This step determines whether the fault is present.
3) Using the Freeze Frame and/or Failure Records data may aid in locating an intermittent condition. If you cannot duplicate the DTC, the information included in the Freeze Frame and/or Failure Records data can help determine how many miles since the DTC set. The Fail Counter and Pass Counter can also help determine how many ignition cycles the diagnostic reported a pass and/or a fail. Operate the vehicle within the same freeze frame conditions (RPM, load, vehicle speed, temperature etc.) that you observed. This isolates when the DTC failed.
4) If DTC 175 is also set, then both banks are operating rich. Inspect items that would cause both banks to operate rich.
5) Excessive fuel in the oil will cause DTCs P0172 and P0175 to set at the same time. Remove the PCV valve from the intake manifold and plug with a suitable stopper. Also disconnect the fresh air pipe from the rocker cover and plug with a suitable stopper. If the long term and short term fuel trim values increase, indicates there is fuel in the oil.
Step 1
Did you perform the Powertrain On-Board Diagnostic (OBD) System Check?
--
Yes: Go to Step 2
No: Go to Powertrain On Board Diagnostic (OBD) System Check
Step 2
Important
If any DTCs are set, except P0172 and P0175, refer to those DTCs before proceeding with this diagnostic.
1) Install the scan tool.
2) Idle the engine at the normal operating temperature.
3) Fuel system in Closed Loop.
4) Monitor the LT FT Bn 1 display on the Fuel Trim Data List using the scan tool.
Is the LT FT more than the specified value indicated? Example: More than would equal -12, -11 etc.
Specified Value = -13% LT
--
Yes: Go to Step 3
No: Go to Step 4
Step 3
1) Turn ON the ignition leaving the engine OFF.
2) Review the Freeze Frame and/or Failure Records data for this DTC and observe the parameters.
3) Turn OFF the ignition for 15 seconds.
4) Start the engine.
5) Operate the vehicle within the conditions required for this diagnostic to run, and as close to the conditions recorded in Freeze Frame and/or Failure Records as possible. Special operating conditions that you need to meet before the PCM will run this diagnostic, where applicable, are listed in Conditions for Running the DTC.
6) Select the Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) option and the Specific DTC option, then enter the DTC number using the scan tool.
Does the scan tool indicate that this diagnostic failed this ignition?
--
Yes: Go to Step 4
No: Go to Diagnostic Aids
Step 4
Is DTC P0175 also set?
--
Yes: Go to Step 5
No: Go to Step 6
Step 5
Visually/physically inspect the following items:
- Collapsed air intake duct.
- The air filter element for being restricted. Refer to Air Cleaner Element Replacement .
- MAF sensor for being installed in the proper direction and for foreign objects blocking the inlet screen. Refer to Mass Air Flow (MAF) Sensor Replacement .
- For excessive fuel in the crankcase. Change oil as necessary. Refer to Engine Oil and Oil Filter Change in Engine Mechanical 5.7L.
Did you find and repair the condition?
--
Yes: Go to Step 7
No: Go to Fuel System Diagnosis
Step 6
Important
When the fuel system test is finished, return to this table.
Inspect the Bank 1 injectors for leaking, refer to Fuel System Diagnosis .
Are any injectors leaking?
--
Yes: Go to Step 9
No: Go to Step 8
Step 7
Repair or replace any faulty items found.
Is the action complete?
--
Yes: Go to Step 9
--
Stpe 8
Replace the faulty HO2S. Refer to Heated Oxygen Sensor (HO2S) Replacement Bank 1 Sensor 1 .
Is the action complete?
--
Yes: Go to Step 9
--
Step 9
1) Select the Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) option and the Clear DTC Information option using the scan tool.
2) Idle the engine at the normal operating temperature.
3) Select the Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) option and the Specific DTC option, then enter the DTC number using the scan tool.
4) Operate the vehicle within the Conditions for Running the DTC as specified in the supporting text, if applicable.
Does the scan tool indicate that this test ran and passed?
--
Yes: Go to Step 10
No: Go to Step 2
Step 10
Select the Capture Info option and the Review Info option using the scan tool.
Does the scan tool display any DTCs that you have not diagnosed?
--
Yes: Go to the applicable DTC table
No: System OK</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">P0175 is the same as 0172 except it is Bank 2 and Step 4 says "Is P0172 also set?"
<small>[ April 10, 2003, 11:13 PM: Message edited by: CMNTMXR57 ]</small>
P0172
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">DTC P0172 Fuel Trim System Rich Bank 1
Circuit Description
The powertrain control module (PCM) controls a Closed Loop air/fuel metering system in order to provide the best possible combination of driveability, fuel economy, and emission control. The PCM monitors the heated oxygen sensor (HO2S) signal voltage and adjusts the fuel delivery based on the signal voltage while in Closed Loop. A change made to the fuel delivery changes the long and short term fuel trim values. The short term fuel trim values change rapidly in response to the HO2S signal voltages. These changes fine tune the engine fueling. The long term fuel trim values change in response to trends in the short term fuel trim. The long term fuel trim makes coarse adjustments to fueling in order to re-center and restore control to short term fuel trim. You can use a scan tool in order to monitor the short and long term fuel trim. The ideal fuel trim values are around 0 percent. A positive fuel trim value indicates that the PCM is adding fuel in order to compensate for a lean condition. A negative fuel trim value indicates that the PCM is reducing the amount of fuel in order to compensate for a rich condition. If the PCM detects an excessively Rich or Lean condition, the PCM sets a diagnostic trouble code (DTC). The long term fuel trim diagnostic parameter is an average of several of the long term speed load learn cells which the PCM selects based on the engine speed and the engine load.
Conditions for Running the DTC
- DTCs P0101, P0102, P0103, P0107, P0108, P0112, P0113, P0117, P0118, P0121, P0122, P0123, P0125, P0200, P0300, P0335, P0336, P0351-P0358, P0405, P0410, P0412, P0418, P0443, P0500, P0502, P0503, P1258, P1404, P1415, P1416 not set.
- The engine coolant temperature is between 50°C (122°F) and 115°C (239°F).
- The barometric pressure is more than 74 kPa.
- The mass air flow is between 5.0 g/s and 90 g/s.
- The manifold absolute pressure is between 26 kPa and 90 kPa.
- The intake air temperature is between -20°C (-4°F) and 90°C (194°F).
- The engine speed is between 400 RPM and 3,000 RPM.
- The TP sensor angle is less than 90 percent.
- The vehicle speed is less than 137 km/h (85 mph).
Conditions for Setting the DTC
- The average Long Term Fuel Trim cell values are below a predetermined threshold.
- All the above conditions are present for 40 seconds.
Action Taken When the DTC Sets
- The PCM illuminates the Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) on the second consecutive ignition cycle that the diagnostic runs and fails, if the diagnostic fails under the same conditions (load, RPM, temperature, etc.) as the previous ignition cycle that the test ran and failed.
- The first time the diagnostic fails, the PCM records the operating conditions in Failure Records.
- The second consecutive ignition cycle that this diagnostic fails [under the same conditions (load, RPM, temperature, etc.) as the previous ignition cycle that the test ran and failed], the PCM stores this information in Freeze Frame. The PCM copies any data previously stored in Freeze Frame and copies the data into the Failure Records. The PCM then overwrites the Freeze Frame. The only exception to this is if a Misfire DTC was already recorded in Freeze Frame. In this case, the Misfire data stays in Freeze Frame and the PCM updates the Fuel Trim data in the Failure Records.
Conditions for Clearing the MIL/DTC
- The PCM turns the MIL OFF after three consecutive ignition cycles that the diagnostic runs and does not fail within the same conditions that the DTC last failed.
Important
If the last failure was during a non-typical driving condition, the MIL may remain ON longer than the three ignition cycles. Review the Freeze Frame/Failure Records for the last failure conditions.
- A History DTC clears after forty consecutive warm-up cycles, if this or any other emission related diagnostic does not report any failures.
- A last test failed (Current DTC) clears when the diagnostic runs and does not fail.
- Use a scan tool in order to clear the MIL/DTC.
Diagnostic Aids
Important
- Remove any debris from the PCM connector surfaces before servicing the PCM. Inspect the PCM connector gaskets when diagnosing/replacing the PCM. Ensure that the gaskets are installed correctly. The gaskets prevent contaminant intrusion into the PCM.
- For any test that requires probing the PCM or component harness connectors, use the J 35616-A connector test adapter kit. Using this kit prevents any damage to the harness connector terminals. Refer to Using Connector Test Adapters in Wiring Systems for procedures.
Using the Freeze Frame and/or Failure Records data may aid in locating an intermittent condition. If you cannot duplicate the DTC, the information included in the Freeze Frame and/or Failure Records data can help determine how many miles since the DTC set. The Fail Counter and Pass Counter can also help determine how many ignition cycles the diagnostic reported a pass and/or a fail. Operate the vehicle within the same freeze frame conditions (RPM, load, vehicle speed, temperature etc.) that you observed. This will isolate when the DTC failed.
For an intermittent condition, refer to Symptoms .
Test Description
The numbers below refer to the step numbers on the diagnostic table.
2) This step determines whether the fault is present.
3) Using the Freeze Frame and/or Failure Records data may aid in locating an intermittent condition. If you cannot duplicate the DTC, the information included in the Freeze Frame and/or Failure Records data can help determine how many miles since the DTC set. The Fail Counter and Pass Counter can also help determine how many ignition cycles the diagnostic reported a pass and/or a fail. Operate the vehicle within the same freeze frame conditions (RPM, load, vehicle speed, temperature etc.) that you observed. This isolates when the DTC failed.
4) If DTC 175 is also set, then both banks are operating rich. Inspect items that would cause both banks to operate rich.
5) Excessive fuel in the oil will cause DTCs P0172 and P0175 to set at the same time. Remove the PCV valve from the intake manifold and plug with a suitable stopper. Also disconnect the fresh air pipe from the rocker cover and plug with a suitable stopper. If the long term and short term fuel trim values increase, indicates there is fuel in the oil.
Step 1
Did you perform the Powertrain On-Board Diagnostic (OBD) System Check?
--
Yes: Go to Step 2
No: Go to Powertrain On Board Diagnostic (OBD) System Check
Step 2
Important
If any DTCs are set, except P0172 and P0175, refer to those DTCs before proceeding with this diagnostic.
1) Install the scan tool.
2) Idle the engine at the normal operating temperature.
3) Fuel system in Closed Loop.
4) Monitor the LT FT Bn 1 display on the Fuel Trim Data List using the scan tool.
Is the LT FT more than the specified value indicated? Example: More than would equal -12, -11 etc.
Specified Value = -13% LT
--
Yes: Go to Step 3
No: Go to Step 4
Step 3
1) Turn ON the ignition leaving the engine OFF.
2) Review the Freeze Frame and/or Failure Records data for this DTC and observe the parameters.
3) Turn OFF the ignition for 15 seconds.
4) Start the engine.
5) Operate the vehicle within the conditions required for this diagnostic to run, and as close to the conditions recorded in Freeze Frame and/or Failure Records as possible. Special operating conditions that you need to meet before the PCM will run this diagnostic, where applicable, are listed in Conditions for Running the DTC.
6) Select the Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) option and the Specific DTC option, then enter the DTC number using the scan tool.
Does the scan tool indicate that this diagnostic failed this ignition?
--
Yes: Go to Step 4
No: Go to Diagnostic Aids
Step 4
Is DTC P0175 also set?
--
Yes: Go to Step 5
No: Go to Step 6
Step 5
Visually/physically inspect the following items:
- Collapsed air intake duct.
- The air filter element for being restricted. Refer to Air Cleaner Element Replacement .
- MAF sensor for being installed in the proper direction and for foreign objects blocking the inlet screen. Refer to Mass Air Flow (MAF) Sensor Replacement .
- For excessive fuel in the crankcase. Change oil as necessary. Refer to Engine Oil and Oil Filter Change in Engine Mechanical 5.7L.
Did you find and repair the condition?
--
Yes: Go to Step 7
No: Go to Fuel System Diagnosis
Step 6
Important
When the fuel system test is finished, return to this table.
Inspect the Bank 1 injectors for leaking, refer to Fuel System Diagnosis .
Are any injectors leaking?
--
Yes: Go to Step 9
No: Go to Step 8
Step 7
Repair or replace any faulty items found.
Is the action complete?
--
Yes: Go to Step 9
--
Stpe 8
Replace the faulty HO2S. Refer to Heated Oxygen Sensor (HO2S) Replacement Bank 1 Sensor 1 .
Is the action complete?
--
Yes: Go to Step 9
--
Step 9
1) Select the Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) option and the Clear DTC Information option using the scan tool.
2) Idle the engine at the normal operating temperature.
3) Select the Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) option and the Specific DTC option, then enter the DTC number using the scan tool.
4) Operate the vehicle within the Conditions for Running the DTC as specified in the supporting text, if applicable.
Does the scan tool indicate that this test ran and passed?
--
Yes: Go to Step 10
No: Go to Step 2
Step 10
Select the Capture Info option and the Review Info option using the scan tool.
Does the scan tool display any DTCs that you have not diagnosed?
--
Yes: Go to the applicable DTC table
No: System OK</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">P0175 is the same as 0172 except it is Bank 2 and Step 4 says "Is P0172 also set?"
<small>[ April 10, 2003, 11:13 PM: Message edited by: CMNTMXR57 ]</small>
