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Old Nov 22, 2006 | 11:54 PM
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after the new motor went in, we had some problems getting it to idle (408 A4+Big Stall)

Once we got it to idle, it was running WAY to rich. We scanned it, and saw that on bank 1, the the fuel trims where at 25%. We reset the fuel trims, then it idled PERFECT.... even while in gear!!

after a few minutes though, bank one fuel trims went back to dumping 25%... the O2's are switching fine, the numbers are kinda high though (700-900)
My guess would be the 02's, what do you guys think?

any help would be great!
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Old Nov 23, 2006 | 12:17 AM
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I would guess one cylinder is skipping. The unburned air causes the o2's to read lean, causing the pcm to dump fuel, causing the other cylinders to run rich. I'm guessing big stall means big,lopey cam, so you might not notice a cylinder skipping at idle. This is of course just a guess.
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Old Nov 23, 2006 | 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by chrismcdaniel
after the new motor went in, we had some problems getting it to idle (408 A4+Big Stall)

Once we got it to idle, it was running WAY to rich. We scanned it, and saw that on bank 1, the the fuel trims where at 25%. We reset the fuel trims, then it idled PERFECT.... even while in gear!!

after a few minutes though, bank one fuel trims went back to dumping 25%... the O2's are switching fine, the numbers are kinda high though (700-900)
My guess would be the 02's, what do you guys think?

any help would be great!
If your fuel trim is at 25% then you are running lean, the PCM is adding fuel to try and compensate. If the fuel trim was -25% then it is a rich problem. Try unplugging your MAF sensor and see what the fuel trim does. If the trim cleans up, look real close at the sensor itself. If the trim stays at 25%, then its back to square one.
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Old Nov 23, 2006 | 01:24 AM
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Its a SD tune, no MAF.

im possitive the plug wires where all connected, and the plugs are all new. i wasnt getting any midfires on the scan.. The came is HUGE though, so it does run rough at idle.

also, its only happening on one bank.

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Then nevermind the MAF trick.
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Originally Posted by GOaT Cheese
Then nevermind the MAF trick.
Thanks anyways man
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Ttt...
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If you are seeing them peg at 25 on only one bank, I would check for a vacuum leak somewhere. It could be around the intake or one of the vacuum lines on the back came undone.
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If you are seeing them peg at 25 on only one bank, I would check for a vacuum leak somewhere. It could be around the intake or one of the vacuum lines on the back came undone.
thanks, that sounds about right.. with this vic jr intake setup, i have been affraid of vac. leaks, but i did think i didn have any.. but i will definatley check again.... but could you explain why it would only effect one bank?

thanks,
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Basically the motor is two halves. If you have a leak on one side, then you will only notice it because the O2 for that side notices a lean condition due to the extra amount of air and tries to compensate for it, hence the +25 trims.
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Originally Posted by Black02SS
Basically the motor is two halves. If you have a leak on one side, then you will only notice it because the O2 for that side notices a lean condition due to the extra amount of air and tries to compensate for it, hence the +25 trims.
cool, thank you. that makes makes sense to me. ill check everything again tomorrow.
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i had the same problem and it was a leak at my header collector. Check for exhaust leaks or intake (vacuum) leaks
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Originally Posted by 98 Raptor TA
i had the same problem and it was a leak at my header collector. Check for exhaust leaks or intake (vacuum) leaks
this could be my problem, i have slip on merge collectors..
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I have been helping Chris with his car and I am stumped. Here is the update as of today.

The car will run with both banks locked at zero until it warms up and then bank one runs lean all the way to -15.6 and stays lean. Bank two stays locked at zero. We set up a misfire scan and read zero misfires even when we unplugged a wire from the coil packs. We also changed the O2 sensor with no change. There were no vac/ or exhaust leaks found.

Any ideas?? Injector or coil packs bad maybe??
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Switch the plugs/coil packs from one side to another if you think that is the problem. I still suspect there is a leak somewhere.
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They will stay locked at 0 until it warms up as it is in open loop.
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Old Nov 26, 2006 | 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Black02SS
Switch the plugs/coil packs from one side to another if you think that is the problem. I still suspect there is a leak somewhere.
The only thing that I could even think might be causing an issue but dont see how is that the PCV valve is open to the air instead of being plugged into the intake and its not grounded and the other side for the fuel system is open to the air as well.
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