EFILIVE HPTUNERS pricing info- help me!
01-08-2007, 05:13 AM
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EFILIVE HPTUNERS pricing info- help me! Ok, I'm ready to buy EFILIVE or HPTUNERS, haven't made up my mind yet, and start learning up on this tuning stuff. Can someone tell me, I have an '06 GTO, will I be able to tune my car as much as I like- or- Will it cost me each time I change something in my tune? I don't understand this credits/vin licensing thing.
Logically, I'd say I could tune/change stuff up on my car as much as I like with only buying the intitial ammount of credits/vin licenses it takes to tune it the first time. Am I right? Wrong? I'm confoozed.....
Logically, I'd say I could tune/change stuff up on my car as much as I like with only buying the intitial ammount of credits/vin licenses it takes to tune it the first time. Am I right? Wrong? I'm confoozed.....
01-08-2007, 07:02 AM
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Yep same deal with both products. Though I think efilive will allow you to read any number of PCM's without consuming a license. Licenses are only used when you change something.
01-08-2007, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Frost
Since it's topical....
As far as EFI Live:
How much is a blanket license for F-body's from 98-02 unlimited VIN? How about just 99, 00, and 01 unlimited VIN?
Thanks.
As far as EFI Live:
How much is a blanket license for F-body's from 98-02 unlimited VIN? How about just 99, 00, and 01 unlimited VIN?
Thanks.
This should answer all your questions http://www.efilive.com/oview_streams.aspx
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01-08-2007, 09:31 AM
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Efi dont go just off of a vehicle year, or if it is a car or truck ect, So when you buy say, LS1 stream, you get EVERY thing that has an ls1 computer in it.
Im not sure how many permeters the other software has for the ls2 table wise, But efilive has almost 650 tables just for the engine segment and over 170 perameters for the transmission. So that is over 850 perameters for the ls2 cars. That is major coverage. Not sure how many tables the other guys have but i doubt it is that many.
Go to www.efilive.com and download the trial version. It is a free download and look thru the software, you will like it. Plus, i will donate a tune for your application.
Im not sure how many permeters the other software has for the ls2 table wise, But efilive has almost 650 tables just for the engine segment and over 170 perameters for the transmission. So that is over 850 perameters for the ls2 cars. That is major coverage. Not sure how many tables the other guys have but i doubt it is that many.
Go to www.efilive.com and download the trial version. It is a free download and look thru the software, you will like it. Plus, i will donate a tune for your application.
01-08-2007, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by HumpinSS
This should answer all your questions http://www.efilive.com/oview_streams.aspx
I had toyed with EFIL for the ease of use of their 3-bar OS, but I have unlimited VIN with HPTuners for f-body 99, 00, and, 01 for around $700. It was around 500 for the cable/software/and 2 yrs unlimited VINs. It was about $200 to add a single year. These are really the only 3 years I NEED, but having 98 and 02 wouldn't be bad.
The EFI-L equiv is: 99-04 LS1 $2495 (NO 98!)
If I were to switch I would be selling my HPT setup and moving over to offset cost. It doesn't even come close. I am NOT a pro tuner and do not own a shop. I'm just a guy in a club, and I don't charge for the tuning I do, as others help with my ride in return in other areas. I also wouldn't be tuning anything but F-bodies.
01-08-2007, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Frost
WAAAAAAY more expensive than my HPT....
I had toyed with EFIL for the ease of use of their 3-bar OS, but I have unlimited VIN with HPTuners for f-body 99, 00, and, 01 for around $700. It was around 500 for the cable/software/and 2 yrs unlimited VINs. It was about $200 to add a single year. These are really the only 3 years I NEED, but having 98 and 02 wouldn't be bad.
The EFI-L equiv is: 99-04 LS1 $2495 (NO 98!)
If I were to switch I would be selling my HPT setup and moving over to offset cost. It doesn't even come close. I am NOT a pro tuner and do not own a shop. I'm just a guy in a club, and I don't charge for the tuning I do, as others help with my ride in return in other areas. I also wouldn't be tuning anything but F-bodies.
I had toyed with EFIL for the ease of use of their 3-bar OS, but I have unlimited VIN with HPTuners for f-body 99, 00, and, 01 for around $700. It was around 500 for the cable/software/and 2 yrs unlimited VINs. It was about $200 to add a single year. These are really the only 3 years I NEED, but having 98 and 02 wouldn't be bad.
The EFI-L equiv is: 99-04 LS1 $2495 (NO 98!)
If I were to switch I would be selling my HPT setup and moving over to offset cost. It doesn't even come close. I am NOT a pro tuner and do not own a shop. I'm just a guy in a club, and I don't charge for the tuning I do, as others help with my ride in return in other areas. I also wouldn't be tuning anything but F-bodies.
01-08-2007, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by wait4me
97-98 comes free to all efilive users, and you have to see also that on that stream you are also getting ALLLLLL of the trucks and Holden cars.
I know this isn't open for negotiation, you just have to see that one solution costs 3.5+ times the cost of the other.
01-08-2007, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by wait4me
Those prices you quoted where from the other companies old price system. It dont go by that structure any more i believe. They go on Credits now.
01-08-2007, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Frost
But I'm in an f-body club... I only REALLY want to tune 99-01 F-bods. The 98/02 would be nice as well, but other club users have those years covered and the majority of the cars are 99-01 anyway... And $2500 is way out of line for something that I won't make a dime of it back on; I hardly have time to tune the guys in the club as it is.
I know this isn't open for negotiation, you just have to see that one solution costs 3.5+ times the cost of the other.
I know this isn't open for negotiation, you just have to see that one solution costs 3.5+ times the cost of the other.
It depends on how you look at the structure for what suits you. EFILive works out cheaper in the long run for ALL LS1 vehicles. With the new credits system HPT has and for what you have would have cost you 1200 for 99-02 F-Body LS1. At this point you are at the halfway point in cost for EFILIVE and for another 1300 you can finish adding all LS1 based vehicles. Take a look at all the vehicles supported below and do that math after you another model/few years you would definitely be on the upside of things buying an EFILIVE stream, but like I stated earlier in my post how you look at the pricing depends on your situation. This same setup will cost you 3430 for Unlimited V8 Gen III vehicles with HPT based on it costing 70 credits
97-98 Chevy Corvette Coupe, Convertible 5.7L
98 Chevy Camaro Z28/SS 5.7L
98 Pontiac Firebird Formula/Trans Am/WS6 5.7L
99-02 Chevy Camaro Z28/SS 5.7L
99-02 Pontiac Firebird Formula/Trans Am/WS6 5.7L
99-04 Chevy Corvette Coupe, Convertible 5.7L
99-06 Holden Commodore 5.7L
01-05 Holden Monaro 5.7L
04 Pontiac GTO 5.7L
04-05 Cadillac CTS-V 5.7L
00-05 Chevy Suburban 4.8L, 5.3L, 6.0L 8.1L
00-05 Chevy Tahoe 4.8L, 5.3L
00-05 GMC Yukon & Denali 4.8L, 5.3L, 6.0L 8.1L
02-06 Hummer H2 6.0L
00-05 Chevy Trailblazer 5.3L
00-05 GMC Envoy 5.3L
00-05 Isuzu Ascender 5.3L
00-05 Buick Rainier 5.3L
00-04 Chevy Blazer 4.3L
00-04 Chevy S10 4.3L
01-04 GMC Sonoma 4.3L
01 Oldsmobile Bravada 4.3L
01 GMC Jimmy 4.3L
99-07 ** Chevy Silverado/Denali 4X2, 4X4, 1500/2500/3500 4.8L, 5.3L, 6.0L 8.1L
99-07 ** GMC Sierra 4X2, 4X4, 1500/2500/3500 4.8L, 5.3L, 6.0L 8.1L
02-06 Cadillac Escalade 5.3L, 6.0L
02-06 Chevy Avalanche 1500/2500 5.3L, 8.1L
03-04 Chevy SSR 5.3L
V6 Trucks
01-06 Chevy Silverado 4.3L
01-06 GMC Sierra 4.3L
01-06 Chevy Express 4.8L, 5.3L, 6.0L
01-06 GMC Savana 4.8L, 5.3L, 6.0L
01-05 Chevy Astro 4.3L
01-05 GMC Safari 4.3L
01-06 Chevy Express 4.3L
01-06 GMC Savana 4.3L
98 Chevy Camaro Z28/SS 5.7L
98 Pontiac Firebird Formula/Trans Am/WS6 5.7L
99-02 Chevy Camaro Z28/SS 5.7L
99-02 Pontiac Firebird Formula/Trans Am/WS6 5.7L
99-04 Chevy Corvette Coupe, Convertible 5.7L
99-06 Holden Commodore 5.7L
01-05 Holden Monaro 5.7L
04 Pontiac GTO 5.7L
04-05 Cadillac CTS-V 5.7L
00-05 Chevy Suburban 4.8L, 5.3L, 6.0L 8.1L
00-05 Chevy Tahoe 4.8L, 5.3L
00-05 GMC Yukon & Denali 4.8L, 5.3L, 6.0L 8.1L
02-06 Hummer H2 6.0L
00-05 Chevy Trailblazer 5.3L
00-05 GMC Envoy 5.3L
00-05 Isuzu Ascender 5.3L
00-05 Buick Rainier 5.3L
00-04 Chevy Blazer 4.3L
00-04 Chevy S10 4.3L
01-04 GMC Sonoma 4.3L
01 Oldsmobile Bravada 4.3L
01 GMC Jimmy 4.3L
99-07 ** Chevy Silverado/Denali 4X2, 4X4, 1500/2500/3500 4.8L, 5.3L, 6.0L 8.1L
99-07 ** GMC Sierra 4X2, 4X4, 1500/2500/3500 4.8L, 5.3L, 6.0L 8.1L
02-06 Cadillac Escalade 5.3L, 6.0L
02-06 Chevy Avalanche 1500/2500 5.3L, 8.1L
03-04 Chevy SSR 5.3L
V6 Trucks
01-06 Chevy Silverado 4.3L
01-06 GMC Sierra 4.3L
01-06 Chevy Express 4.8L, 5.3L, 6.0L
01-06 GMC Savana 4.8L, 5.3L, 6.0L
01-05 Chevy Astro 4.3L
01-05 GMC Safari 4.3L
01-06 Chevy Express 4.3L
01-06 GMC Savana 4.3L
You don’t need a crystal ball either. If you are unsure of all streams that you might need, just purchase the streams you know you need, and then use one-off VIN Licenses to tune any vehicles that are not covered by those streams. You can use 80% of the cost those VIN Licenses (i.e. $79.20) as discounts against future stream purchases (up to a total of 50% per stream order). That means VIN Licenses effectively only cost $19.80 per vehicle. Each VIN License (or PCM License) may only be used once to obtain a discount when purchasing streams.
01-08-2007, 02:59 PM
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The problem is you need a crystal ball to know the streams you DO need.
For example, did you know there are some vehicles that have 2 or more engine controllers for the same year/model..
And did you also know there are some vehicles that have 2 or more transmission controllers for the same year/model/engine?
What you just described is the strong point of HP Tuners credit system.
Our credits are universal. You can buy the generic credits, then license them when you read your vehicle, whatever controller it may be..
Regardless, a lot of this will change even further in HP Tuners favor in a couple of weeks with our new release.
Cheers!
For example, did you know there are some vehicles that have 2 or more engine controllers for the same year/model..
And did you also know there are some vehicles that have 2 or more transmission controllers for the same year/model/engine?
What you just described is the strong point of HP Tuners credit system.
Our credits are universal. You can buy the generic credits, then license them when you read your vehicle, whatever controller it may be..
Regardless, a lot of this will change even further in HP Tuners favor in a couple of weeks with our new release.
Cheers!
01-08-2007, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Magnus
The problem is you need a crystal ball to know the streams you DO need.
For example, did you know there are some vehicles that have 2 or more engine controllers for the same year/model..
And did you also know there are some vehicles that have 2 or more transmission controllers for the same year/model/engine?
For example, did you know there are some vehicles that have 2 or more engine controllers for the same year/model..
And did you also know there are some vehicles that have 2 or more transmission controllers for the same year/model/engine?
What you just described is the strong point of HP Tuners credit system.
Our credits are universal. You can buy the generic credits, then license them when you read your vehicle, whatever controller it may be..
01-08-2007, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Magnus
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Regardless, a lot of this will change even further in HP Tuners favor in a couple of weeks with our new release.
Cheers!
Regardless, a lot of this will change even further in HP Tuners favor in a couple of weeks with our new release.
Cheers!
Vendors compete and we win....
And FWIW, I can value my setup the way I did, as it is WHAT I ACTUALLY PAID FOR IT.