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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 11:05 AM
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whats everyones air fuel at low rpm idle in park ect?
im getting a bog from idle when i rev the car. trying to figure out if its lean or rich.
wide band reads around 14 at idle
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 11:07 AM
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well it should be 14.7 if the car is running closed loop. I have the same issue though sometimes and it goes lean when it bogs.
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 11:33 AM
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hmm, so it sounds like im on there.

to me it seems lean when i rev it to bog like it is.

or my timming curve is off.

hmmmm.
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 12:16 PM
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Brad, your VE table may be reduced too much in the 800-1200 range for your new build.

Try having Timmy increase the VE table values at 800 and 1200 by 20% or so and see if the bogging clears up.

When you do this the car will probably start a little different as well.
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 12:26 PM
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Brad, your VE table may be reduced too much in the 800-1200 range for your new build.

Try having Timmy increase the VE table values at 800 and 1200 by 20% or so and see if the bogging clears up.

When you do this the car will probably start a little different as well.
ok, cool, i will try to do that tonight.
i have been doing the tuning, timmy hates me now, he doesnt come around anymore, he has a motor bike now
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 12:47 PM
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Kev, one more thing. the car is idling around 1,000 rpm. so the 800-1200 isnt going to do much.
should i bump it from 800-2000?
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 01:16 PM
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800 to 1200 should do the trick, but increasing it at 2000 isn't going to hurt it.

What you may see after this change is it may be a little tougher to start. If that is the case you'll have to find a happy medium between a 20% increase and your old values.

If this doesn't fix it let me know. I'd be happy to come up and help you figure it out.
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 01:48 PM
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cool, i will try it tonight and see.
if it doesnt work, i will see what we can do.
id love to have you scope it out, you may be able to help me free up some power.

im racing friday or saturday depending on the weather.
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EFI Live's Custom Operating System #5's TPS VE table is great for curing issues like this on a setup like you have.
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Doc
EFI Live's Custom Operating System #5's TPS VE table is great for curing issues like this on a setup like you have.
Yeah, our 1 Bar Speed Density Custom operating systems, which has a TPS VE table, as well as Real Time Tuning is definitely something to consider Brad.

-Bill
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Yeah, our 1 Bar Speed Density Custom operating systems, which has a TPS VE table, as well as Real Time Tuning is definitely something to consider Brad.

-Bill
more info please. i want to go speed den anyway. i want to go to a carb style intak and big t-body.
im new to the tuning thing, so i need all the help[ i can get
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Noyzee
more info please. i want to go speed den anyway. i want to go to a carb style intak and big t-body.
im new to the tuning thing, so i need all the help[ i can get
which ever you decide make sure it has real time tunning...

i made my car idle like a kitten at 700rpm with out a IAC vavle... you just have to mess with the 2 cells that the car idles in then look at what AFR it likes and set your commanded AFR to that to make sure you never change it.

mine likes 13.1.

yours may like it leaner.
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Noyzee
more info please. i want to go speed den anyway. i want to go to a carb style intak and big t-body.
im new to the tuning thing, so i need all the help[ i can get
Just follow this flash demo http://www.thetuningdoctor.com/HPTun...pplication.swf . RTT is noted by the letters RTT beside the custom operating system your choosing
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 05:00 PM
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oh man, im new at this, this is all like spanish top me.
NOGO, HELP!!!!!!
oh yhea, im going speed dens sooner then i thought, im getting a carb intakle and accufab
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 06:07 PM
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what do you mean i dont come around? you dont call
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Noyzee
oh man, im new at this, this is all like spanish top me.
NOGO, HELP!!!!!!
oh yhea, im going speed dens sooner then i thought, im getting a carb intakle and accufab
I run the HP Tuner 3 bar SD Operating System. I've tuned both the EFI Live and HP Tuners, and it really just comes down to preference. If you already have HP Tuners I would just use the HP Tuner 1 bar speed density option.

Once you do that, we wire your wideband into your scanner and its down hill from there.
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 05:58 AM
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kevin - we already have an lc1 in the car wired to a gauge with the analog out 2 wire and ground run to the eio plug which stays in the car, its just a matter of setting up the pid in hp tuners
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 07:41 AM
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Nice.

That was the most trouble I had with my speed density tuning was getting HP Tuners and the Wideband to have the same reading.

If you've already done that then you are good to go.
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 07:48 AM
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kevin, im doing the intake swap ect soon. (probably next week.
what can you do for me?
id like to maybe do a couple hours on the dyno, when would you have time?

im hoping to get the intake ordered asap, send it out to get coated then put it on the car.so id say not this week coming up, but next week. the week of july 30th.
that will give me 2 weeks to get to the track and tune it in for the class.


ps, timmy, i told you get a nextel and i'll call. i hate the phone
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I'm available only Mon-Tues (July 30, 31) of that week.

If you can get the intake before Jul 28, I do have time that weekend.
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