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Old Jan 22, 2008 | 10:32 AM
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so at wot does the maf controll the fueling? i thought it was the pe multpulier and the ve table
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Old Jan 22, 2008 | 11:04 AM
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All MAF from 4K up; PE is just a multiplier for the resultant from the MAF and down low, a MAF/VE mix.
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Old Jan 22, 2008 | 11:41 AM
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PE is the commanded airfuel ratio, the MAF is the airflow value, from 4K up it is used 100%, below that, it can blend based on transient factors.

(or you can set the threshold lower, and be all maf based from a lower rpm )

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So Pe Is Only Used During Non Maf Fueling Ie: Below 4k?
While Above 4k Were All Maf For Fuel?
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Old Jan 22, 2008 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Jpr5690
So Pe Is Only Used During Non Maf Fueling Ie: Below 4k?
While Above 4k Were All Maf For Fuel?
You can be in PE at different times, depending on RPM/TPS %. You can be in PE and not be wide open, but you are most assuredly in PE at WOT.
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Old Jan 22, 2008 | 03:02 PM
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no, PE is just the commanded airfuel ratio at high power demands (power enrichment) and at WOT regardless of RPM (assuming all rpm/time limiters have been meet)

There are 3 variables, or systems your working with

Airflow, Desired AFR, and Fuel Flow.

Your airflow is VE/MAF below 4000 and above 4000 it is all maf

The desired airfuel can be one of several things, OLFA (open loop fuel air table) table, Closed loop (stoich based on O2 sensor data, then altered by fuel trims) and then PE for WOT operations.

Your airflow data combined with the desired AFR will determine what you want out of the motor, and then the fueling calculation will change this airflow and desired lambda to a injection event time to put the fuel into the engine.

I hope this helps

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assuming my maf is uncalibrated ,where do i start....?
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can i just tune my maf table even if my ve table is not perfict? or will a bad ve table skew my maf tuneing?
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Originally Posted by slow
no, PE is just the commanded airfuel ratio at high power demands (power enrichment) and at WOT regardless of RPM (assuming all rpm/time limiters have been meet)

There are 3 variables, or systems your working with

Airflow, Desired AFR, and Fuel Flow.

Your airflow is VE/MAF below 4000 and above 4000 it is all maf

The desired airfuel can be one of several things, OLFA (open loop fuel air table) table, Closed loop (stoich based on O2 sensor data, then altered by fuel trims) and then PE for WOT operations.

Your airflow data combined with the desired AFR will determine what you want out of the motor, and then the fueling calculation will change this airflow and desired lambda to a injection event time to put the fuel into the engine.

I hope this helps

Ryan
So what exactly are you saying no to? You can go into PE without being on the floor. As little as 64% throttle. I know at lower RPMs it considers this WOT, but its far from WOT. Low RPM high load.
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Originally Posted by Jpr5690
can i just tune my maf table even if my ve table is not perfict? or will a bad ve table skew my maf tuneing?
What are you trying to do? A complete tune, or just high rpm wide open throttle fueling?
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Sorry edcmat-l1, I wasn't questioning your responce (as it is 100% correct) (you posted between my hitting reply, and post)

I was talking about the post above yours.

Originally Posted by Jpr5690
So Pe Is Only Used During Non Maf Fueling Ie: Below 4k?
While Above 4k Were All Maf For Fuel?
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Sorry edcmat-l1, I wasn't questioning your responce (as it is 100% correct) (you posted between my hitting reply, and post)

I was talking about the post above yours.
OK gotcha.
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.. Just Tring To Learn... Also It Would Be Nice To Adjust My Maf Table As I Think It Is A Little Off
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do your VE then your MAF.
DO NOT set your PE to 14.63AFR for VE tuning.
when you are done with your VE table
re-enable your MAF in open loop and set {B0120} to 400RPM
and depending on how many mods you have,
you will possibly need to raise the whole MAF table by X%
watch your WBO2 at first idle to get an idea of how much.

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Ok How Do I Do My Ve?
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Dont I Disable My Maf Set Some Sort Of Error Code And Thne Set My Pe Threshold Up High, Then Use My Fuel Trims To Apply Against My Ve Table?
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Old Jan 23, 2008 | 02:40 PM
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Are you using EFI Live, HP tuner's or LS1 Edit?
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Eurospec2-I believe hptuners

Here's a good read jpr about fueling on LS1's that everyone could benefit from reading http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2359 its an oldie but has all of the info you desire.

Thankfully since you already own tuning software most of the boundries(as explained by slow) can also be altered.
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Hpt-- Thnx
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