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Old Aug 6, 2003 | 12:54 AM
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How hard is it to tune the car with no 02s at all? I know a couple of people have done this. Any problems associated with this?
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Old Aug 6, 2003 | 12:41 PM
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Why would you do that?
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Old Aug 6, 2003 | 01:04 PM
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I don't have oxygen sensors on my car. It is VERY easy to tune without the O2 sensors. In my opinion it is easier, on a modified car, without the O2 sensors.
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Old Aug 6, 2003 | 03:01 PM
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I don't have oxygen sensors on my car. It is VERY easy to tune without the O2 sensors. In my opinion it is easier, on a modified car, without the O2 sensors.
Would you please be so kind as to give any tips? Do you modify the same tables in Edit?
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Old Aug 6, 2003 | 04:00 PM
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Please share with us. Seems like I'm always changing these O2's. The money I've spent in sensors could have definately been spent better.
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Old Aug 6, 2003 | 05:18 PM
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Default Re: Removing 02s entirely?

There are some downsides to no oxygen sensors.

Poorer fuel economy
Not emmissions legal

Tuning is not that different.

The only recommendation that I have is to make sure that you check you a/f ratio on the car after you have kicked it to open loop. You can do this on a dyno. At part throttle your a/f should be between 14.0 and 14.5 (preferrebly closer to 14). Stick it on the rollers and slowly go through the RPM range and different throttle combinations (don't go WOT) to check the a/f. It doesn't have to stay locked on at 14.3 but the a/f should always quickly recover into the 14's no matter what your doing.

You will need to use the injector flow rate table to make large changes to your a/f and the main VE table to make small changes to your a/f. You are going to have to log your MAP reading and convert it KPA, and RPM so that you can sergically alter your VE table.

Good Luck
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Old Aug 6, 2003 | 10:14 PM
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Cool, I'm gonna give it a try. Right now, I have a cylinder not firing, and it's making the PCM dump major fuel into that bank. I'm hoping this will let me have 7 good cylinders until I can track down the reason it's not getting spark.
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