Wideband Purchase (good or Bad)
07-02-2008, 04:13 PM
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I'm kind of an Innovative nut swinger, I'll admit it.
Prob cause I got one and it works.
I had to do an RMA on the first one, but after researching it I'm assuming it was cause I set it up wrong and fried it.
I can't chalk that up to Innovate having a bad product tho.
Going further, your polling from a pretty shallow pool if you want a really unbiased opinion.
I really do hope the OP gets replies from people with experience with several products.
But people with access to several are going to be pretty few and far between.
I'm guessing most are people that bought one and are happy with it, or bought the LC-1, hated it and bought something else.
but every one of my stupid posts bumps the thread giving those few the chance to see it and reply so way to go tommy!
07-02-2008, 04:18 PM
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HAHA ^ 
i went with my PLX wideband because it was a decent price and a group purchase, i dont think its been running right for the last few months, AFR has kinda been all over the place... But i yet to have any tuning experience with this wideband.....
i went with my PLX wideband because it was a decent price and a group purchase, i dont think its been running right for the last few months, AFR has kinda been all over the place... But i yet to have any tuning experience with this wideband.....
07-02-2008, 06:58 PM
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Grrrrrr
I will try this again.
Take a look at this!
Source
http://www.zeitronix.com/press/afrshootout1.htm
I will try this again.
Take a look at this!
Source
http://www.zeitronix.com/press/afrshootout1.htm
07-02-2008, 07:16 PM
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Send me $350 and I'll send you a box of **** see how emotional you get.
And then plan your day off to tune a chipped vehicle where you have to scan, pull the VCM, pull the chip and burn a new one, only to have your newly repaired lm-1 **** OUT 15 MINUTES INTO IT.
And then plan your day off to tune a chipped vehicle where you have to scan, pull the VCM, pull the chip and burn a new one, only to have your newly repaired lm-1 **** OUT 15 MINUTES INTO IT.
07-02-2008, 08:51 PM
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These wideband "shootouts" are cool and all (there was one in a ford mag too) but their conclusions are a bit dubious as far as the science side goes.
They *SHOULD* have used cal gases so that KNOWN AFRs were present. Anyone want to guess what the actual AFR was in the tests?... because that's all it would be, a guess. They also could have used a high end lab grade sensor such as some of NTK's high end sensors for a comparison. Ideally, since it was a "test" they would each be tested in the SAME bung as well.
Also, this is a side note, but where is the NTK info? The sheets shows comments for 6 of the 8, why would they leave out one of the units that they ranked in the top 3?
They *SHOULD* have used cal gases so that KNOWN AFRs were present. Anyone want to guess what the actual AFR was in the tests?... because that's all it would be, a guess. They also could have used a high end lab grade sensor such as some of NTK's high end sensors for a comparison. Ideally, since it was a "test" they would each be tested in the SAME bung as well.
Also, this is a side note, but where is the NTK info? The sheets shows comments for 6 of the 8, why would they leave out one of the units that they ranked in the top 3?
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07-03-2008, 02:45 PM
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AEM wide band is good! i have used a few widebands and my fav so far. Funny how the wideband test work out. 6 months ago i was reading a mag an it had ie #2 and was listed as best bang for you buck!
07-03-2008, 02:57 PM
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Well guys I picked up the 30-4100 unit since it was cheap and everything I read was decent......I am still in the market for a better one but this one could be permanent in one of my vehicles for the cost.
Ok, I am only finding mxscan software for dataloggin with my dst cable....is this all that is out there?
Is there something I can use with my elm 322 interface for logging?
Ok, I am only finding mxscan software for dataloggin with my dst cable....is this all that is out there?
Is there something I can use with my elm 322 interface for logging?
07-07-2008, 08:32 AM
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any more answers to the questions guys?
Well guys I picked up the 30-4100 unit since it was cheap and everything I read was decent......I am still in the market for a better one but this one could be permanent in one of my vehicles for the cost.
Ok, I am only finding mxscan software for dataloggin with my dst cable....is this all that is out there?
Is there something I can use with my elm 322 interface for logging?
Well guys I picked up the 30-4100 unit since it was cheap and everything I read was decent......I am still in the market for a better one but this one could be permanent in one of my vehicles for the cost.
Ok, I am only finding mxscan software for dataloggin with my dst cable....is this all that is out there?
Is there something I can use with my elm 322 interface for logging?
07-08-2008, 11:48 AM
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The PLX has no free-air cal though!! It's sensor cal is based on the resistor in the connector, which is not (can not) be dynamic like the sensor itself. Units like these will drift and unlike, for example, your LC1, which can be calibrated to overcome the error that you get with usage, your PLX will just drift out leaving you thinking that it is working properly.
I would personally avoid any units that have no free-air cal capability.
I would personally avoid any units that have no free-air cal capability.
Read towards the bottom.
http://www.plxdevices.com/AppNotes/P...Technology.pdf
You are referring to the narrowband emulation which works like this:
A narrow band reads 0-1V 0 being lean and 1 being rich
A wideband reads 0-5v 0 being lean and 5 being rich
PLX has integrated a scaling feature which puts out 0-1v based upon the wideband reading of 0-5v.
So in short terms the 0-5v is "converted" to 0-1v and sent back to the PCM.
This in turn still tells the PCM if the vehicle is in a lean or rich state without actually having a narrowband sensor.
Derek
07-09-2008, 03:40 PM
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The sensor cal. is not based on the resistor in the connector.
Read towards the bottom.
http://www.plxdevices.com/AppNotes/P...Technology.pdf
You are referring to the narrowband emulation which works like this:
A narrow band reads 0-1V 0 being lean and 1 being rich
A wideband reads 0-5v 0 being lean and 5 being rich
PLX has integrated a scaling feature which puts out 0-1v based upon the wideband reading of 0-5v.
So in short terms the 0-5v is "converted" to 0-1v and sent back to the PCM.
This in turn still tells the PCM if the vehicle is in a lean or rich state without actually having a narrowband sensor.
Derek
Read towards the bottom.
http://www.plxdevices.com/AppNotes/P...Technology.pdf
You are referring to the narrowband emulation which works like this:
A narrow band reads 0-1V 0 being lean and 1 being rich
A wideband reads 0-5v 0 being lean and 5 being rich
PLX has integrated a scaling feature which puts out 0-1v based upon the wideband reading of 0-5v.
So in short terms the 0-5v is "converted" to 0-1v and sent back to the PCM.
This in turn still tells the PCM if the vehicle is in a lean or rich state without actually having a narrowband sensor.
Derek
You misunderstood the link you posted...
They *HAVE* to use the cal resistor. The lab cal they are talking about is the controller side. If they did the cal against the sensor it shipped with, replacements would not work (well they would not be accurate). Their free-air comments may be relevant to the devices their engineers produced on the bench, but it's far from "the way it is".
I'm not talking about NB emu either.
My partner here at work has designed more than 1 controller for that common Bosch sensor, so it's a fav subject of his.
07-09-2008, 05:39 PM
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No no no, not meaning that at all
Just trying to explain the differences here.
I have 2-3 widebands in my car at any given time. An LC1 that was AWESOME for a year, but now thinks every sensor is bad at one-two weeks age on them, I have a PLX that takes up the LC1's slack (with the sensor that the LC1 thinks is bad too) and an LM1 that gets used for tuning.
07-09-2008, 09:54 PM
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New LM-2...: http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/lm2.php
so you cant DIRECTLY tune THROUGH the LM-2.. youd need a softwear such as HP Tuners?
so you cant DIRECTLY tune THROUGH the LM-2.. youd need a softwear such as HP Tuners?
I log my LM1 with HPTuners.
