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Old 05-12-2010, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Slowmo_Bird94
Does the fact that mine is just randomly rare and not a limited edition make a difference in current value, or is it just something cool to have and show off?
No definitive answer, but probably just cool to show off. My belief is that for "rarity" to actually add value, the thing/option that makes it rare must also make it highly desireable. That's why Yenkos, COPOs, ZL1s, 4.88 gears, 426 HEMIs 427 SOHCs, SD-455 etc are so valueable these days. Colors of exteriors and interiors are a double-edge sword: A rare color or interior trim might make a car "rare", but there's probably a good reason the color is rare, possibly because its undesireable, certainly "unpopular".
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I see what you mean. At least I can do what I want with the car without worrying about the value dropping horribly. It is pretty low anyways. Thanks a lot for the research and time.
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Am I reading this right??? There were only 1427 Formulas made in 1999? making it the rarest between the regular firebird and the T/A?
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Originally Posted by 99FBirdForm
Am I reading this right??? There were only 1427 Formulas made in 1999? making it the rarest between the regular firebird and the T/A?
CompNine's database for the '99 Firebirds seems complete (i.e.: the total they report is at least as large as any other source I've been able to find, which typically exclude exported cars). Unfortunately, that's not the case for '96, '00, '01 and '02. Generally speaking, for a given model year, Formulas were always produced in smaller numbers than Firebirds and T/As. So yes, Formulas were the rarest model for a given year. Also, since WS6 was no longer available on Formulas after '00 and WS6s were on the rise in popularity towards the end, Formula production dropped steadily from '94-'02. So at least up to '99, it appears that fewer Formulas were built than in prior years:

(CompNine's #s except where noted, includes WS6 and Firehaws)
'93: 4037
'94: 9535 coupes, 177 'verts
'95: 7748 coupes, 1074 'verts
'96: 1519 coupes, 154 'verts (another source shows 3033 coupes, 302 'verts)
'97: 2716 coupes, 326 'verts (another source shows 2766 coupes)
'98: 2200 coupes, 2 'verts
'99: 1602 coupes
'00: 1518 coupes (another source shows 1535 coupes)
'01: 1001 coupes (another source shows 1037 coupes)
'02: 639 coupes (another source shows 901 coupes)
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i dont have time to read all these threads so can somebody tell me where or how i can find what number my car is off the production line.. 2002 TA WS6.. its one of the "Last of the breed" editions.. so im real interested

thanks
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I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET THE PRODUCTION NUMBERS ON THIS CAR its a 2000 NHRA Formula Firebird in black w/auto trans and NO T TOPS what I have found out so far is that they made something like 213 for 2000 but I want the color break down and the t top break down I think its like 97 for the formula NHRA but the car was offered in something like 5 colors and with t tops and I would like to know what the number is on mine 1 of ??
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damn this came back from the graveyard
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Originally Posted by NHRA4MULA
I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET THE PRODUCTION NUMBERS ON THIS CAR its a 2000 NHRA Formula Firebird in black w/auto trans and NO T TOPS what I have found out so far is that they made something like 213 for 2000 but I want the color break down and the t top break down I think its like 97 for the formula NHRA but the car was offered in something like 5 colors and with t tops and I would like to know what the number is on mine 1 of ??
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I know most of you with T/A's and Formulas don't care much for this but my wife has a 1997 base red Firebird with 3.8. It is convertible with a white top. I have found production numbers for the convertibles at 1226. But can anyone point me in a direction to find a breakdown for the top colors? I would think the white top would be fairly rare. Any help is appreciated.
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Originally Posted by JohnnyBs98WS6Rag
Here's the latest (and hopefully last) updates. If anyone finds errors in these or has questions, please let me know so I can correct them. Thanks for the patience.

EDIT 5/10/10: Corrected 91U color name for '94s.
That's for posting that, but its seems Option Code 1SX (75th Anniversary Package) is missing from the 2001 breakdown.

Before anyone asks, 2001 was the 75th Anniversary of Pontiac. A few different Pontiac models had a 75th Anniversary Package available.
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Originally Posted by RobStrunk
I know most of you with T/A's and Formulas don't care much for this but my wife has a 1997 base red Firebird with 3.8. It is convertible with a white top. I have found production numbers for the convertibles at 1226. But can anyone point me in a direction to find a breakdown for the top colors? I would think the white top would be fairly rare. Any help is appreciated.
That 1226 number probably didn't include exported cars. Check the link in my sig for a complete breakdown. From CompNine's database:

1997 Firebird (V6) 'verts: 1274 total
Bright Red (81U): 382
White Top (10T): 191
Black Top (41T): 760
Taupe Top (56T): 323
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Originally Posted by VIP1
That's for posting that, but its seems Option Code 1SX (75th Anniversary Package) is missing from the 2001 breakdown.

Before anyone asks, 2001 was the 75th Anniversary of Pontiac. A few different Pontiac models had a 75th Anniversary Package available.
I'll add that. Didn't know what the RPO code was. From here:

Pontiac 75th Anniversary Firebird and Formula (2001) (Pontiac made a special package to commemorate the brand's 75th anniversary. It was designated with RPO code 1SX. Rather than any substantial performance or appearance changes, however, Pontiac opted to bundle the packages with badging and popular options. In fact, the Grand Am GT anniversary model was the only Pontiac to get its badging at the factory. All other '75th' cars received dealer-installed (optional) insignias. The Firebird V6 cars got the badging and the 3800 V6 performance package. The Formula got the badges, and a Hurst shifter in a manual or a 3.23 rear axle in an automatic. The Formula package probably also bundled T-tops, leather steering wheel, leather shift ****, and TA-style chrome 5-star wheels. There was no anniversary package known for the Trans Am, but some dealers may have installed the badges. At least some of them were installed on the B-pillars (behind the side windows). The other Pontiacs offered with '75th Anniversary' packages were the Grand Am GT, Sunfire SE coupe, Bonneville SE, Grand Prix GT/GTP, Montana, and Aztek. When the 2001 Firebird was still listed in the new car section of cars.com, the 75th Anniversary package was listed as one of the options. There wasn't much advertisement for it, but many dealerships were decorated with 75th Anniversary paraphernalia. The promotion ran from March 15, 2001 to April 30, 2001, and included various price discounts.)
Interestingly, while that description indicates no T/As received 1SX, CompNine's database contains 2 Y82 T/As w/ 1SX built. I've verified that these 2 cars were NOT Firebirds (L36) or Formulas (W66).

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Originally Posted by Last02TransAm
i dont have time to read all these threads so can somebody tell me where or how i can find what number my car is off the production line.. 2002 TA WS6.. its one of the "Last of the breed" editions.. so im real interested

thanks
Are you looking for your ASC# (the sequence in which your car had WS6 content installed by ASC)? If so, there's a sticky in the "Special Editions" section that contains info on who to contact for that (although they've been very delinquent as of late returning info).

Considering the majority of '02 cars w/ the LOB (Last of Breed) decals were either dealer or owner-installed, there are no sequence numbers for LOB cars specifically.

If you are looking for the sequence in which you car literally "rolled off the line" at the St. Therese assembly plant, you need to look no further than the last 6 digits of your VIN.
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Originally Posted by JohnnyBs98WS6Rag
I'll add that. Didn't know what the RPO code was. From here:

Interestingly, while that description indicates no T/As received 1SX, CompNine's database contains 2 Y82 T/As w/ 1SX built. I've verified that these 2 cars were NOT Firebirds (L36) or Formulas (W66).
Thanks. Looks like my car is 1 of 231 just for being a 75th Anniversary Formula. I wonder what that number would drop to for being a black automatic.

Also, not to nitpick, but the NHRA row seems out of place. Shouldn't it be in the Packages section instead of the Major Options section?

Thanks.
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Originally Posted by VIP1
Thanks. Looks like my car is 1 of 231 just for being a 75th Anniversary Formula. I wonder what that number would drop to for being a black automatic.
143 black auto Formulas built w/ the 75th anniversary package in 2001 (all 143 had T-tops).

Originally Posted by VIP1
Also, not to nitpick, but the NHRA row seems out of place. Shouldn't it be in the Packages section instead of the Major Options section?

Thanks.
Yep, you're right, what was I thinking? Fixed it.
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Originally Posted by JohnnyBs98WS6Rag
143 black auto Formulas built w/ the 75th anniversary package in 2001 (all 143 had T-tops).
Wow, thanks for the info!
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99' Black T/A T-Tops A4

Help Would Be Appreciated.

Edit: Found Out Already.

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Hey thanks for provinding some info. How many 2001 black on black A4 Trans Am Firehawks with ttops?
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Originally Posted by oddwraith
Hey thanks for provinding some info. How many 2001 black on black A4 Trans Am Firehawks with ttops?
CompNine's numbers are:

2001 Firehawk A4 T/A Coupes: 143 (SLP shows 145), all T/As had T-tops
- w/ 41U (Black): 64
- w/ 192/193 (Black Leather): 113
- w/ 41U + 192/193: 55
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Cool thanks man


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