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Old 09-01-2008, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyBs98WS6Rag
The "outwardly badged" WS6s ('96-'02) were subcontracted outside of GM for "conversion", to SLP in '96 & '97, then to ASC in '98-'02. Prior to '96, the WS6 option (brakes / suspension depending on year) were installed on the line by GM.

If anyone would still have the VIN-to-Build # decoder ring on the '96 WS6s, it would be SLP.
Just to clarify a bit, pre-96 to 93, there weren't any WS6 cars. 92 was the last year till 96 when it showed back up.
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Originally Posted by 97ramsst
I would suspect it would be a true mid year change....all you have to find is when Job 2 started. Also I would bet if you tried to order a set of factory wheels the parts computer would list both wheels would say either "cars produced before xx/xx/01" or "VIN numbers prior to" to be able to get the correct wheel for your car. Then again with GMs pathetic record keeping it might not.


On the other hand they very well may have just used up all the old style wheels and then started using the new ones mid run.
Since the records are poor, we should be able to narrow down the break between the early and late WS6 wheels by the ASC build date.

My ASC conversion #5015 build date is Jan 29th, 2001. It has the late (2002) style wheels (RPO# QB6).

The latest old style and the earliest new style will intersect at some date.
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Originally Posted by Z28/2002
Who has the numbers for the 1994 25th Anniversary Trans Ams?

Basically XX of 2000 built
My info on the 25ths show:

Coupes / Verts
1750 / 250 (total built)
1622 / 250 (w/ A4)
128 / 0 (w/ M6)
1412 / 0 (w/ T-tops)
879 / 51 (w/ UT6 Cass/EQ)
871 / 99 (w/ UP3 CD/EQ)

Further breakdown combos of the coupes:
254 A4/HT/Cass
600 A4/TT/Cass
68 A4/HT/CD
700 A4/TT/CD
4 M6/HT/Cass
21 M6/TT/Cass
12 M6/HT/CD
91 M6/TT/CD
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Originally Posted by Formula350
Just to clarify a bit, pre-96 to 93, there weren't any WS6 cars. 92 was the last year till 96 when it showed back up.
Aye, good info. My memory gets fuzzy on the LT1 birds.
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Originally Posted by Black FormulaLs1
hell anybody?
All I've seen on the '99s:

1999
Firebird 17170
Firebird Convertible 1245
Formula 1427
Formula WS6 175
Trans Am 10343
Trans Am Convertible 1027
Trans Am WS6 3820
Trans Am Convertible WS6 1002
Total 36290
(Production #'s already include the 30th anniversary #'s, 1065 coupe, 535 conv; 1600 total)
If your Formula was a WS6, the breakdown would be:

I've posted this before, but here it is again for you. This is directly form the GM Pontiac Firebird brand manager:

PRODUCTION NUMBER BREAK-DOWN FOR 1999 WS6 FORMULAS !!!

TOTAL 175

10U (White) - 16
11U (Pewter Metallic) - 20
13U (Silver Metallic) - 13
28U (Navy Blue Metallic) - 27
41U (Black) - 79
81U (Bright Red) - 20

Automatic (MX0) - 62
6-Speed Manual(MN6) - 113
MN6 with BBS (Hurst Shifter) – 12

GU5 3:23 axle – 62
NW9 Traction Control – 91

T-Tops – 107
Hardtop – 68

INTERIOR:
Pewter Cloth (14B) - 96
Pewter Leather (143) - 58
Neutral Cloth (52B) - 12
Neutral Leather (523) – 9

U1S 12 CD Changer – 26

RADIO:
W53 – 20
W54 – 35
W55 – 120

1SA – 61
1SB – 94
1LE – 20

AG1 Power Driver Seat – 118
AU0 Keyless Entry – 139
Old 09-05-2008, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by LT4hotcam
How many TA's were built like this in 02.

Black 02 WS6 Trans Am T-top, 6 Speed,black leather, all the options.
Here's the '02s:

2002
Firebird 8432
Firebird Convertible 1498
Formula 901
Trans Am 3962
Trans Am Convertible 998
Trans Am WS6 12212
Trans Am Convertible WS6 2696
Total 30690
(Production #'s already include the Collector Edition anniversary #'s, 1349 coupe, 1041 conv; 2390 total)


This is the actual 2002 Firebird numbers
Total Firebirds made in 2002


Firebird Coupe 8,432
Firebird Convertible 1,498
Formula Coupe 901
Trans Am Coupe 3,962
Trans Am Convertible 998
Trans Am coupe w/Ram Air 12,212*
Trans Am Convertible w/Ram Air 2,696*
Total 30,690
*Includes Collector Edition

2002 Collector Edition

Collector Edition coupe w/6 spd 842
Collector Edition coupe w/4spd auto 509
Collector Edition Convertible w/6spd 554
Collector Edition Convertible w/4 spd auto 488
Total 2,390

2002 Trans Am

Trans Am coupe w/6spd 1,591
Trans Am Coupe w/4 spd auto 2,371
Trans Am Convertible w/6spd 235
Trans Am Convertible w/4spd auto 763
Trans Am coupe w/Ram Air 6spd 6,828
Trans Am coupe w/Ram Air 4spd auto 5,384
Trans Am Convertible w/Ram Air 6spd 1,176
Trans Am Convertible w/Ram Air 4spd auto 1,520
Total 19,868

2002 NHRA Package

Formula w/6spd 62
Formula w/4spd auto 85
Trans Am Coupe w/6spd 136
Trans Am Coupe w/4spd auto 189
Trans Am Convertible w/6spd 16
Trans Am Convertible w/4spd auto 46
Total 534



2002 Exterior Colors

Arctic White 2,918
Pewter Metallic 4,302
Bright Silver Metallic 3,089
Navy Blue Metallic 3,290
Black 7,572
Maple Red Metallic 867
Collector Yellow 2,390
Sunset Orange Metallic 1,208
Bright Red 5,053

2002 Convertible top colors

White 137
Black 4,455
Taupe 600

2002 Options

T-Top roof 23,648
Hurst shifter 9,194
CD Changer 5,934
Traction Control 16,837
Monsoon 23,964


2002 Rare Combo’s

Trans Am Convertible Maple Red Metallic 9
Firebird convertible with White top 34
Trans Am convertible with White top 11
Formula w/6 spd and 16” chrome wheels 170
Ram Air convertible w/6 spd and Camel leather interior 14

2002 WS6 Color break down
Production numbers for the 2002 WS6

Black
2071 manual t-top

1580 auto t-top
217 manual convertibles
330 auto convertibles
Total 4198

Collectors’ Edition
839 manual t-tops
510 automatic t-tops
549 manual convertibles
492 automatic convertibles
Total 2390

Bright Red
854 manual t-top
851 auto t-top
121 manual convertibles
219 auto convertibles
Total 2045

Pewter Metallic
959 manual t-top
632 auto t-top
71 manual convertibles
102 auto convertibles
Total 1764

Navy Blue Metallic
742 manual t-top
582 auto t-top
75 manual convertibles
127 auto convertibles
Total 1526

Bright Silver Metallic
607 manual t-top
497 auto t-top
55 manual convertibles
79 auto convertibles
Total 1238

Arctic White
455 manual t-top
535 auto t-top
59 manual convertibles
100 auto convertibles
Total 1149

Sunset Orange Metallic
303 manual t-tops
220 automatic t-tops
32 manual convertibles
41 automatic convertibles
Total 596

Total WS6’s 14,906
Auto Convertibles 1490
Manual Convertibles 1179
Auto T-tops 5407
Manual T-tops 6830
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Originally Posted by 93M6Formula
How rare is my 1993 Green Formula with T-Tops and a 6 speed? I know only 300 93 formulas were made with t-tops but i want to break down the numbers more.
The data I have for '93 Formulas is:

3985 total
3229 w/ A4
756 w/ M6
3 w/ 1LE
300 w/ T-top
520 w/ CD (U1C)

No color breakdown.
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Johnny, do you have any info on the 95 A4 NB6 cars?
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I know how many were made and the combos. I'm just wondering who can get the build number for a certain car.
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Originally Posted by Formula Freak
Johnny, do you have any info on the 95 A4 NB6 cars?
I've got some sketchy info on the '95s, what's "NB6"? And which model you need (Formula or TA)?
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Originally Posted by Z28/2002
I know how many were made and the combos. I'm just wondering who can get the build number for a certain car.
SLP for the Hawks, SSs and LT1 WS6s, ASC for the LS1 WS6s. I do have some ASC#s for '98 WS6s as long as it's not red or black.
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Originally Posted by JohnnyBs98WS6Rag
I've got some sketchy info on the '95s, what's "NB6"? And which model you need (Formula or TA)?
NB6 is the California emissions RPO code I believe.95 LT1 A4 cars that were due to be first sold in California received the 2 catalytic converter system that didn't come on all cars until 1996+.I have one of the dual-cat 95 cars that came with 3.23 GU5 gears,was just wondering how many 95 A4 F-body's were made like this.My car is a Formula (in sig)
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No breakdown #s on the emissions equipment.

7448 total '95 Formula Coupes:
4889 were A4
1662 had 3.23 axle
4342 had t-tops
35 had chrome wheels
3210 had Cass/EQ
2804 had CD/EQ
? were Dark Aqua
? had cloth (no numbers for any cloth color interior)
1432 had graphite leather
333 had beige leather
365 had gray leather
132 had red leather
0 had white leather
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Cool,thanks.
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Johnny

They didn't make a WS6 until 1996, but thanks though. I'm gonna try and get up with the Pontiac Historical Society and see if they can send me the package
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Can you give a break down of the 2001 Formulas like you did for the 2002? I am trying to get numbers like how many 6sp vs auto, and how many of each color, etc. Thanks
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allright guys, 00 pewter hard top formula, a4, tan cloth interior, how many were made??
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Originally Posted by Tooslowbirdman
Can you give a break down of the 2001 Formulas like you did for the 2002? I am trying to get numbers like how many 6sp vs auto, and how many of each color, etc. Thanks
This is all I've ever seen on 2001s......

2001 total: 21436
Firebird 7191 coupe; 2347 vert; 9538 total
Formula 1037 coupe/total
Trans Am 2596 coupe; 396 vert; 7073 WS6 coupe; 796 WS6 vert; 10861 total
Originally Posted by Z28/2002
Johnny

They didn't make a WS6 until 1996, but thanks though.
Yeah, if your talking about what I referred to as the "outwardly-badged" WS6 cars, that is true. However, WS6 was an RPO for a suspension and/or brake upgrade from ~'78 until '92 (but never "badged" as such), and was apparently dropped from '93-'95. When talking about WS6s, I try to be careful to not exclude those earlier cars as sometimes owners get sensitive about it.
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Any breakdown on 1996 Trans Am colors? I've been told the quasar blue on my TA is kind of a rare color.

1996 ta, lt1, t56, t-tops, grey cloth.
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Originally Posted by Lime
Any breakdown on 1996 Trans Am colors? I've been told the quasar blue on my TA is kind of a rare color.

1996 ta, lt1, t56, t-tops, grey cloth.
My data shows:

7936 total '96 T/A coupes built
2974 had M6
6735 had t-tops
108 were "Blue" (the rarest color for T/A coupes)
?? had graphite cloth (no data)


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