mario65

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Nice job on the motor!

WOW a Camry with over 500 ft lbs of torque!

blitzu

It's funny when hatred turns into jealousy and the only stupid *** remark you can make is calling the car by a different name?

Ohh yeah, nice modified Geo Storm you got there.

mario65

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Sorry it hurts just being honest. It is hard to tell what it is in a line of imports. Heck my Syclone won first place against two new GTO's in a car show. It is a nice car and the engine is to die for. I would have done that (455HO or SD) to a Firebird since the Super Duty was only in the 73 Goat and that was a boat. But the SD or HO in a T/A or Formula that was something that will always be saluted. Heck I feel like standing up right now and saluting.
Maybe they could do something cosmetically it needs it bad.

DANSLS1GTO

If you really can't tell the difference between the new GTO and a Camry - you shouldn't be driving because you either don't meet the intelligence criteria or you don't have the eyesight for it.
You may think the car needs cosmetic changes - but you drive the #1 bada$$ of clownish freak car looks. Some of us prefer understated and clean.
Dan

mario65

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Which car was the clown?
The Syclone, 2 shows, 2 first places (BOP and Pontiac Club)
The 98 Black WS6 T/A, 1 show, 1 first place(Pontiac Club)
The 75 455HO T/A 607 HP/604 engine dyno, 3 shows, 1 first place (BOP)
The 98 Formula WS6, just bought it and most favorite car ever.

The GTO is nice but it never will fill the void left at the Pontiac dealership by the Firebird. The dealership looks understated and clean just like you said.

Car shows and sales will speak louder than any of us can. Maybe things will change. Maybe they will actuallu help the aussies build a GTO

DANSLS1GTO

Well, first - the GTO is not meant to fill the 'void' of the Firebird being missing. As a matter of fact, no information from GM has indicated that there is a void - although apparently there is for the Camaro because they are discussing bringing it back.
I don't know what car shows have to do with whether the GTO / Monaro is a solid-built, high performance vehicle. As far as sales go - people just don't know what they are getting for the money. Take your WS6 and add a world class interior, better ride w/ IRS and no squeaks or rattles - and that's what the GTO is.
And as stated before, the point of the whole GTO project is for Holden to help GM:NA learn how to build multiple vehicles on the same platform back to back in a plant - so the sales don't really matter. The plan is for the 2007 to be built in the US - but people not buying RWD cars is the only reason the GTO may fail.
Oh, and sorry to insult the TA's - but they are styled for 16 year olds. They are wild and showy. Some people grow out of wanting that - but still want the ***** of it in their car. That's what the GTO is meant to be.
Dan

blitzu

Skipping everything else... this type of post is more respectful. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and to explain why you think the engine was a waste in this car comes off better than just insulting everyone who bought one and calling it a name.

Congratulations on winning some shows, I bet you have a nice ride. No matter what my personal opinion is of someones car I don't go around and insult the people who bought one.

Think of it as it is expected that you dont go around keying other peoples cars because you dont want your car keyed. (This is a analogy by the way, so please dont take it negetively) You respect other people and just like thumper if you have nothing nice to say... dont say it at all.

Your opinion though is respected just try to say why, instead of coming across the way you did. I always liked Trans Ams I think they look nice, but not for me. Im glad you are as happy with your car as I am with mine

mario65

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The problem came when I contrasted the dyno sheet with the car pics. I expected a complete package that made the car special in more ways than a dyno sheet. Maybe it was the nice cars in the background of the GTO.
Even Ford realized the Mustang looked ricer and really came up with something to wear the old name.
Pontiac needs to do something quick.
Maybe MTI or someone with the ability could do something like SLP did with the Firehawk or SS.
It should stand out as the GTO did in the past and the mustang will in 2005.
Some people do prefer the subtle look. I want power and attitude because that is what Pontiac has been in the past.
I do apologize if anything else is heard and will leave it alone.

DANSLS1GTO

No problem - I suppose I understand where you are coming from. Personally this is the absolute perfect car for me right now. Knock on wood - I've had no problems at 5500 miles and love the car to death. I just get worked up over the incessant 'the car must have more aggressive looks'. I really try to restrain - but it just gets my goat (yes, lame pun intended ).
On a more general car nut topic - got any pics of the engine of the '75?
Dan

mario65

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http://community.webshots.com/album/71588091BKbvjp

Has some pics of it and other Pontiacs at the show.

It looked very very stock on purpose. I painted the E-heads and Torker II, 4spd, ported heads to 305, hyd roller 252/264 @500 570 lift. a few other things. Lots of money beat some vipers from a roll but couldnt stop and turn and the Formula would do that like nothing I had tried before so I made a little money and swapped them. I was done with it and I just didnt like driving it anymore. Kinda crazy I guess but I dont keep stuff long.

DANSLS1GTO

Nice cars
Hey - on another note - I absolutely love the NBM color. I'm going to do a Chevy II Nova with a SBC for my fiance and am trying to convince her that's the color we should get painted.
And boy did we hijack this thread - lol.
Dan

Ls1LikeNoOther

The one thing everyone forgets about when they talk about the new GTO's bodystyling is...They forgot that the GTO was the FIRST Muscle Car...The First ever it was wild it was different and the new one is none of the above,its a Grand Am with an LS1..I own a 65 GTO,there are no retro styling points in the new GTO...If anyone remembers the concept they had in like 98 or so the orange one with honeycomb wheels...That car woulda been a hell of a lot better than this..It looks more like a family car than it does everything,and there is nothing wrong with that,the one fault it has is the name...It should not be a GTO plain and simple because it is not!Tempest maybe Le Mans sure,in the 80's they made Le Mans into a damn Escort,why not...Basically Ford just kicked Pontiacs *** in the styling department...

And dont tell me GM doesnt want Retro look,bc look at the plans for the Gen 5 Camaro!

Humanoid

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Wasnt this thread about a 455 in a GT0? There are plenty of styling debate threads here. That subject has bean beat to death.

Now back to the motor.
Are there any other 455 projects in the works @ MTI?

dispatch

Give me a break. MTI (Jayson) hasn't answered ANY questions about the motor. Here is the first question I found: "what are the specs in the motor, cam, etc?". There are many others, look for yourself. What's the deal?

gto-tom

WOW now that's an awesome car. It's nice to know what can be done to these cars with the right amount of $$$$$$$$$$$.

ChevyGoldfinger

That was/is a KILLER little 75 Firebird!! I know what you mean about getting tired of them, although I take a little longer to do so.
I had a 72 GTO that I dumped a lot of money into over a period of about 9 years or so. If you are still checking this thread, I wonder if you had the same overheating problems I had with my hopped up 455? I live in an extremely hot climate here in Las Vegas, so maybe you didn't experience quite as bad of problems with overheating depending on where you live. I noticed you also retained the factory A/C as I did. The air management back in those days (at least on the 72) really sucked compared to late model cars. I could get the air to blow 38 degrees out the center duct on a 110 degree day in August, but it couldn't blow it out far enough or fast enough to keep a person comfortable. Then after driving in stop and go city traffic on a day like that, you could just watch the temp guage steadily climb until you finally had to shut down the A/C and hope to make it home without it puking its guts. Well, I tried the biggest custom made radiator I could buy and no joy. I had fun with the car, and like you, I won quite a few races against cars that were extremely shocked, but after a few years of trying to keep fixing things as they dry rotted here in the desert, I finally sold it. Had to LOVE that stump pulling torque that that the 455 is famous for though! Enjoy your new aquistion, it looks great.

I am now almost ready to start enjoying my latest project, as soon as we get a few details ironed out. Can't wait to get the 427 super stroker out to the track.

poolfanatic

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If you want the specs on the motor, just hit me with an e-mail and I'll be glad to send them over to you. davidc@motorsporttech.com

Can't be releasing all of our secrets in public!

retsell

An owner of a 98 TA scolding something for being cosmetically challenged? Given I think the outside of the TA is awesome, the interior is terrible. I'm not flamming just throwing out another insight. The GTO has a much nicer interior (you really cannot argue with that) If you don't like the look of the car fine, I'm not really all that big on it either, but it is a much better built car. Less gap between body panels and better fit and finish on the inside too. Overall a better car than the TA with not so "sports car" looks.

retsell

Car shows have nothing to do with it. That's an ignorant comment in my opinion. A car show (consisting of late model cars) looks mainly at mods to the car and how good the work was. If it was just which car looks better, then car shows would be terribly boring. Hell, a syclone is not a beautiful vehicle be any means, but if it's in great shape and clean etc.. it can win shows. It also all depends on the competition. How many cars there, what kind of cars in your class, who is the judge? Old guy? Young guy?

mario65

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The 75 T/A initially was problem with the overheating here in Florida. I ended up using the shotgun approach after getting pissed off at it. I did a griffin Rad, edelbrock high volume waterpump, new factory clutch fan, and ran the water otlet on the pass head back into the intake, 160 therm. After all this it seemed cool but the guage showed 220. I bought a laser temp guage and found the cars guage was off. It never went over 180.

The Syclone was very very nice but I never expected to beat the GTO's that everyone was looking at. There was a black one and a purple one(beautiful color). It was an open class pontiac show that included everything except Fbodies and older pontiacs.

syclone: pretty sweet huh?
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mario6...E/SYCLONE.html

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