Rob

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There are '04's that run that, bone stock, that is a fact.

They also dyno better than that for '04 M6 GTO's. Norm is 300rwhp, some higher, some lower. A4 cars dyno about your 280-290rwhp.

And it seems the "fast freak" cars are all M6's Fastest '04 A4 times I've seen was 13.4x from a few cars. Very many in the 13.5-.6 range.

So your arguement could be the average for A4 owner's.

NYTIGER

Go to www.Ls1gto.com drag racing section. They have list's of best 1/4's for both 04's and 05's, stock and modifyed.

JS

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Most A4's stock run 13.50 to 13.60 in mineshaft DA's
Most A4's stock run 13.80 to 14.2 in normal DA's

I went 13.93@101 in 75 degree air
Again at 4100lbs too....

One things for sure,IMO these cars are hard to launch on street tires

Dan00Hawk

Stock, my 04 ran a best of 13.9 at 101 mph on a 2.1 60' at US 41 in Indiana this past October. Minor wheelhop and spinning going into 2nd (track conditions) held me back a bit, IMO. It dynoed at 292 rwhp, 319 rwtq.

Recently added K&N intake, catless SW LT's, and a dynotune. 331 rwhp, 339 rwtq. Expecting to see some much better numbers at the track in 2006.

2.73 Vette

Oh so since im a vette owner I cant awnswer the question...

I GOT THE SAME FUC*ING LS1 AS 90% OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD. Thats why it's called LS1 tech. Not GTO tech..

SOME OF YOU NEED TO FACE REALITY...

if you get 10 out of every 100 people running a 13.0-13.3 in a 04 GT0...65 other people running 13.4-13.7 and then 25 guys running a 13.8-14.1...

Low13's is no were near an average....More like 13.5-13.7

Now do the same thing with 05GTO's and 04C5's...

You got 10 guys running 12.7-13.0.....65 other people running 13.1-13.4 and 25 people running 13.5-13.8...

In this case you could safely say that the average driver of an average 05GT) or 2004 C5 can run a 13.2-13.4..

HEY I HAD TO FACE REALITY TOO...THE AVERAGE 2.73 GEARED C5 RUNS A 13.4-13.6....

Pretty slow for a vette but thats what 2.73 gears will do to just about any car.YEA sure there have been 1 or two 2.73 geared C5's that ran 12.9's and quite a few in the 13.1-13.3 range....BUT I STILL NO BETTER THAN TO SAY THAT 2.73 GEARED C5'S CAN RUN LOW 13'S ON AVERAGE

HTRDLNCN

guess mine is average..
bone stock+stock tires first time at track mid 80s deg/mid 80% humidity/ 13.8@100.5 2.0 60ft
next time with a more practice driving in same conditions ran 13.4@100.5 1.8 60ft

then added Yank3500,Predator tuner and xpipe, best so far 12.9@103.5 with a 1.7 60ft on BFG drag radials but thats not stock so it doesnt count for the purposes of this post .

If I could go north to run in cooler/drier air I think I could get a couple more tenths/mph out of it with no other mods. heat and humidity are killers down here.

People forget driver+traction makes or break a cars et.. Some people cant drive down a dragstrip to save their lives and some guys get ets noone will belive just because they can squeeze the last tenth out of any car.

Ton of cars out there with 108-110 traps that cant even break into the high 12s and guys with 110-112mph traps that have run high 11s.

Felix C

Pretty slow for a vette but thats what 2.73 gears will do to just about any car.YEA sure there have been 1 or two 2.73 geared C5's that ran 12.9's and quite a few in the 13.1-13.3 range....BUT I STILL NO BETTER THAN TO SAY THAT 2.73 GEARED C5'S CAN RUN LOW 13'S ON AVERAGE[/QUOTE]

You can speak authoritatively regarding your specific Corvette year/drivetrain but not regarding the 2004 GTO because you do not have one.

Qualify your comments by indicating it is your opinon, but otherwise you have no place in which to be the last word.

NVigR8

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SOme people may need to come to the realizaton that:

1. The times he has seen do not necessarily reflect the national average of all 14000+ 04 gto's out there.

2. M6 GTO's are tough to drive. I ran 14's/high 13's my first couple times to the track (the car ran 13.1-13.2 consistently) when I got it right, and guess what I'm not the only one.

3. A4 GTO's have TC and tranny issues with torque mgmt, etc that really slow them down, So I agree they average mid-high 13's, the driver really has not much to do with except stab the pedal and go keep it straight.

4. Just about all M6 04 GTO's are low 13 sec cars. Unfortunately they are really tough to get there and its not really the car's capablilities, its usually the driver. You typically either bog or spin - mainly because of the 245 all season tires, IRS and near 4000lb curb weight.


So, like I said - just about all 04 M6 GTO's are low 13 sec cars, period. You can dispute that all you want, talk about what they run in Hawaii, or in Colorado or whatever, but that's the way it is. Sorry to disappoint. If the driver can't get them there, well then sucks for them.

Bring me a stock 04 M6 GTO in perfect running condition as it came off the showroom floor, to MD this spring and I will run at a minimum a 13.3 (most liekly better), I will put money on it.

Rob

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^^^^^^

I agree with the above. My very first track day, I ran 13.66. It was a wheel hopping mess. Over the next three trips to the track, I got it down to 13.25 with better launching. If I would have stayed stock, it would definitely been a 13.1x with more practice.

Now is my car average because it ran 13.6 when I took it to the track the first time? Am I a average driver because it got 13.6 the first day with it? Car didn't change as it wasn't broken in yet. First track day was at 600 miles. Fourth track day was at 1K miles. My car is just like 90% of them. Wish I would have dynoed as I know it wasn't making the power of a factory freak as my mph was in line with everyone elses. What happened to pick up .4 in the 1/4? It was all in the launch, plain and simple.

Felix C

I have driven my GTO several times down the track in different types of weather. I know what the car can or cannot do. I know my abilities and limitations. I can speak with authority. Just driving one a few times does not make one an authority. I will never comment regarding 2005 GTOs because I do not have one.

As with the vette, best you can do is qualify your statement based on your experience. Perhaps conditions or yourself are not sufficiently capable. I went from 13.60 to 13.30 by improving technique. There was probably more left in the vehicle but I started modding the car.

02sierraz71_5.3

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I got a chance to race a couple GTO's in the 1/8th, the ones Ive seen run at the track ran 9.2-9.6 range. I think alot of it was inexperienced drivers but still nobody like to get whipped on by an NA z71 ext cab truck.

Felix C

And I beat an AAR Cude-A real one, with my nearly stock 1979 T/A when I was in high school. And then a 427 Vette on another occassion. Big deal. Shall we all recount our lopsided wins and defeats?

02sierraz71_5.3

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I bet you drive a civic with a wing on it now too sound like a ricer comment to me. Race what ya brung!

He asked for what they run stock and I told him what Ive seen.

Felix C

No. I have owned and own genuine high performance cars. I generally stay off this forum because of the stupidity and immaturity of the posers.

02sierraz71_5.3

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You do know who I am

YOUR DADDY BITCH

02sierraz71_5.3

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So now Im a poser because I post the times Ive seen stock GTO's run and you get upset, who is immature?

Felix C

Bad N.

I do not care if a GTO wins or loses is faster or slower. I am bothered by people who make definitive comments regarding the vehicle and yet do not own the actual car.

Ricers did not exist in 1979,(Pro-Street were the ricers of that era) and I believe one ricerr today would not know what a AAR Cuda is.

You started the ****. Virtually everyone has freak wins and losses. I just pointed out the obvious in your statement. Your comment is actually ricerr.

2.73 Vette

You dont have to own the actual car to know what the average one will do....Theres a heck of a lot more people posting high 13's than low 13's in your car....POINT BLANK....

If the OP had said what is the fastest I can expect from a 04 GTO... I would not debate 13.2-13.3's what so ever...But he didnt.

he said AVERAGE.....You know..In between the best to expect and worst to expect...

Since the best is a 13.1 and the worst is a 14.1. A 13.6 seems like a pretty reasonable time to me and THAT IS WHAT MAJORITY OF YOU RUN....

If all 04 GTO's are low 13 second cars like you say then all C5's and 05 GTO's are high 12 second cars....But when someone says they ran a 12.9 in a stock 05GTO/04C% or 13.2 in a stock 04GTO.....Is everyone like..Kool man. Atleaste you ran the norm..

HELL NO... There like dude thats sick man. youve got one of the faster ones out there and that person is suddenly recognized as being one of the better drivers.

Theres nonthing AVERAGE about running low 13's in a 04 GTO....Theres lots of 05 GTO's that realisticaly have a hard time hitting 13.3's....

it's really simple to understand why....

04 c5 vette- 350 hp LS1....290-300 rwhp....3280 pounds....13.3 at 107 is a decent AVERAGE time

02 camaro/bird-350 hp LS1....295-305 rwhp...3490 pounds...13.4 at 106 is a decent AVERAGE time

04 GTO...350 LS1...285-295 rwhp.......3700 pounds...13.6 at 104 mph is a decent AVERAGE time


Power wise there all pretty much the same....Roughly 290-300 rwhp....My C5 has dynoed higher at 299 rwhp than quite a few camaros....Then again Im sure that there have been stock 04 GTO's that have dynoed higher thanmy C5...And the camaros 70% of the time will dyno 3-5 rwhp higher than both of them....

Bottom line is whoever got the lucky one from the factory will have the most power..CAS SINCE 02 WE ALL HAVE THE SAME EXACT LS1 ENGINE


So if we all have the same exact engine the only real differance is vehicle weight.....The camaro is 210 pounds lighter than the Vette...But on the other hand..70% of the time will dyno 3-5 rwhp higher than the C5.....

So it will only be 1-1.5 tenths behind the C5 stock for stock through the 1/4 mile... A true drivers race...

The GTO on the other hand weighs 3700 pounds...Thats 400 pounds more than the C5. And the rwhp is basicly the same...No 3-5 rwhp advantage for the GTO wich also has an IRS like the C5...

It's just one LS1 pushin 3280 pounds vrs another one pushin 3700 pounds... It's that simple. The thing is that the LS1 pushin 3280 just barely averages ( or normally can run) low 13's....

But some of you think the LS1 pushin 3700 pounds can average ( or normally run) low 13's???????


An even better example is the 03 Cobra...

03 Cobras weigh 3650 pounds and have 365 rwhp...They average 12.9-13.2 with the better drivers/stronger cars in the 12.7-12.9 range...

The car weighs a very similar number to your 04 GTO....BUT HAS 70 MORE RWHP....AND EVEN IT ONLY AVERAGES HIGH 12'S LOW 13'S...


I cant put it into any better perspective than that. As far as the actualy owning a 04 GTO comment for my words to be Valid... give me a break man...Any one of us could probaly afford an 18,000 dollar 04 GTO...

That dosent mean we gotta go buy one just to say that we know what an LS1 is capable of...

AN LS1 IS A LS1 IS A LS1 IS A LS1 IS A LS1....tHERE ALL THE SAME MAN....it's just that if I go to the track and put 400 pounds worth of weights in the back of my car my trapp speed will probaly be about 4 mph slower...

Felix C

You do not need to own the actual car to guess what one is capable. (Using second hand sources.)

You do need to own and regularly track drive the car to know how it performs or is capable of. (First hand experience.)

It is stupidity to believe otherwise. Or if not stupidity, then envy, immaturity, fanboyism,etc. So prevalent among hotrodders too.

Again, I do not care if the car is fast or slow, only you are not qualified to be a definitive source.

CSiJason

Pretty sure not... Most "stock" 04's around here are going high 13's still with a few exceptions. My 05 went a best of 13.2 stock on different wheels and tires. (no better grip than stock though) Of course that was with an awfull 60' time too.

Too many factors come in when you figure the "average" 1/4 mile time of cars depending on where you are and the track and so many other things. Around here the average DA is crap and our track isnt prepped on test and tune nights so it isnt really all that sticky. Where as some places might average a lot better DA and their track might be prepped a lot better so the average around there is a lot quicker.