Stock 04 GTO Quarter mile and Dyno?
01-15-2006, 01:15 PM
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Correct Jason,a NA car in bad air is not going to un 13.2 or 13.1...I have seen Kennys A4 run 13.56 BONE STOCK in 0 to -500DA's which was impressive to me..DA makes a big difference,weight does too...I for one weigh 350lbs so my cars at 4100 easy,to run 13.90's in 75 degrees made me happy,if I were to take that time and go to a -500 DA my car would have easily ran 13.60's but never the less the guy did say average and I dont believe MOST 6sp GTO's run 13.1 to 13.2....I'd say 13.4 to 13.5 is alittle more realistic...I mean after all there is only 10 guys on the GTO tech board thats run faster than 13.4 stock so it must be harder than it looks....
Hell most 05's only run 13.2 on average....
Something to think about?
Hell most 05's only run 13.2 on average....
Something to think about?
01-15-2006, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 2.73 Vette
AN LS1 IS A LS1 IS A LS1 IS A LS1 IS A LS1....tHERE ALL THE SAME MAN....it's just that if I go to the track and put 400 pounds worth of weights in the back of my car my trapp speed will probaly be about 4 mph slower...
Here's something you fail to realize in all your debating. An M6 GTO has much better gearing than either the F-Body or Y-Body. It is the equivilent to 3.90 gears in an F-Body. I gained .3 sec in my WS6 when going to 4.10 gears compared to the 3.42 gears that came stock. So figure .2-.25 advantage in gearing over the F-Body. Don't really know how many Vettes come with 3.42 but would be the same difference. Moreso if they have 3.15 or less gearing.
01-15-2006, 06:17 PM
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I would say most people can't drag race their cars. I have run a best of 13.24@104.86 in my GTO. It dynoed at 300/324. I usually race at 4000# race weight (I'm a little oversize). In the summer months if the I hot lap the car, it runs 13.60-70's. I have to admit the car does need a better shifter.
01-15-2006, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by CSiJason
Pretty sure not... Most "stock" 04's around here are going high 13's still with a few exceptions. My 05 went a best of 13.2 stock on different wheels and tires. (no better grip than stock though) Of course that was with an awfull 60' time too.
Too many factors come in when you figure the "average" 1/4 mile time of cars depending on where you are and the track and so many other things. Around here the average DA is crap and our track isnt prepped on test and tune nights so it isnt really all that sticky. Where as some places might average a lot better DA and their track might be prepped a lot better so the average around there is a lot quicker.
Too many factors come in when you figure the "average" 1/4 mile time of cars depending on where you are and the track and so many other things. Around here the average DA is crap and our track isnt prepped on test and tune nights so it isnt really all that sticky. Where as some places might average a lot better DA and their track might be prepped a lot better so the average around there is a lot quicker.
Unless you want to know the average of what the combination of air pressure, temp, shitty driver skill, track prep, heat soak, etc. But I don't believe that is an accurate measure of the 1/4 capabilities of the car are, just how it reacts to environmentals. It lacks control.
01-16-2006, 04:59 AM
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Well lets all use the driver excuse and blah blah blah...Some of you are being realistic. And I really respect that...
As far as my car is concerned...Stock for stock my 13.5's easily man handled the 13.9-14.2's the stock 04 goats run at my track....
Then again my car is some what of a freak since 02 Z06's only run 13.0's bone stock at my track...
The DA and humidity really hurts here in Hawaii. I JUST LITERALLY CANT GET OVER HOW SOME OF YOU THINK 04 GTO'S ARE ALL LOW 13 SECOND CARS!!!!!!
but your list only has 10 that beat 13.4????? To each there own.. I remember a time when I thought my Vette was a 12 second car just cas it was a vette and I had read of automatics hitting 12's before...Guess that made me think they all could do it. So Ill leave it at that...And once some of you proclaiming that all 04 GTO's can run low 13's take your car to the track and run a 13.8 you'll understand were Im coming from and how just running a 13.5 is no easy feat in a 04 goat. NEVERMIND a low 13!!!!
As far as my car is concerned...Stock for stock my 13.5's easily man handled the 13.9-14.2's the stock 04 goats run at my track....
Then again my car is some what of a freak since 02 Z06's only run 13.0's bone stock at my track...
The DA and humidity really hurts here in Hawaii. I JUST LITERALLY CANT GET OVER HOW SOME OF YOU THINK 04 GTO'S ARE ALL LOW 13 SECOND CARS!!!!!!
but your list only has 10 that beat 13.4????? To each there own.. I remember a time when I thought my Vette was a 12 second car just cas it was a vette and I had read of automatics hitting 12's before...Guess that made me think they all could do it. So Ill leave it at that...And once some of you proclaiming that all 04 GTO's can run low 13's take your car to the track and run a 13.8 you'll understand were Im coming from and how just running a 13.5 is no easy feat in a 04 goat. NEVERMIND a low 13!!!!
01-16-2006, 06:15 AM
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The ones proclaiming low 13's actually have run at the track. That list isn't the be all, end all of what stock GTO's run. I was taken off the list as well as others once they started modding, as that list is pretty old but does get updated somewhat.
The point is in all this is the car. Take someone who actually has run a low 13 and someone who hasn't. Put the driver of the low 13 second car in the "slow" one and I bet it runs low 13's.
The car is easily capable of low 13's. I'm talking M6 cars here. The A4 cars are mid 13 second cars at best stock.
The point is in all this is the car. Take someone who actually has run a low 13 and someone who hasn't. Put the driver of the low 13 second car in the "slow" one and I bet it runs low 13's.
The car is easily capable of low 13's. I'm talking M6 cars here. The A4 cars are mid 13 second cars at best stock.
01-17-2006, 07:09 AM
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Well I hust read in GM High Tech that they got a bone stock LT1 camaro to run a 13.3 at 107 mph...
But whats so funny about that is that you'll usualy see a bone stock LT1 camaro run a 13.9 at 99 mph....
But hey I guess with the right driver all LT1 camaros could run 13.3 at 107 mph right???????
A similar magazine got a bone stock LS1 C5 to run a 12.7 at 111 mph...Funny thing is that you usualy see C5's run 13.3 at 107...But hey i guess with the right driver they can all run 12.7 and trapp 111 mph right????
You see my point...Theres a differance between the best ever and average. A HUGE DIFFERANCE....
ET I can beleave...You get a 1.90 60 ft compared to everyone else who gets a 2.15 at best and your car will be in the low 13 range....
But if your 04 goat is trapping 105 and everone else is trapping 100-103...You got a factory freak and theres NONTHING average about that.
WE ALL DO THIS..Ive seen camaro owners on 350Z sites telling them that all Camaros are 12 second cars bone stock...
Give me a friggin break man...Maybe 1 out of every 100 bone stock camaros hit's a 12.9 at the track....It's actually not unusual at all to see Camaros running 13.7's.... Yousee 13.7's a heck of a lot more than 12.9's..But everyone wants to post the best times theve herd of for there vehicles instead of the actual Averages.
But whats so funny about that is that you'll usualy see a bone stock LT1 camaro run a 13.9 at 99 mph....
But hey I guess with the right driver all LT1 camaros could run 13.3 at 107 mph right???????
A similar magazine got a bone stock LS1 C5 to run a 12.7 at 111 mph...Funny thing is that you usualy see C5's run 13.3 at 107...But hey i guess with the right driver they can all run 12.7 and trapp 111 mph right????
You see my point...Theres a differance between the best ever and average. A HUGE DIFFERANCE....
ET I can beleave...You get a 1.90 60 ft compared to everyone else who gets a 2.15 at best and your car will be in the low 13 range....
But if your 04 goat is trapping 105 and everone else is trapping 100-103...You got a factory freak and theres NONTHING average about that.
WE ALL DO THIS..Ive seen camaro owners on 350Z sites telling them that all Camaros are 12 second cars bone stock...
Give me a friggin break man...Maybe 1 out of every 100 bone stock camaros hit's a 12.9 at the track....It's actually not unusual at all to see Camaros running 13.7's.... Yousee 13.7's a heck of a lot more than 12.9's..But everyone wants to post the best times theve herd of for there vehicles instead of the actual Averages.
01-17-2006, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by HTRDLNCN
except if you run at Atco or Englishtown.
I think those tracks most run downhill .
I think those tracks most run downhill .
01-17-2006, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 2.73 Vette
but your list only has 10 that beat 13.4????? To each there own.. I remember a time when I thought my Vette was a 12 second car just cas it was a vette and I had read of automatics hitting 12's before...Guess that made me think they all could do it. So Ill leave it at that...And once some of you proclaiming that all 04 GTO's can run low 13's take your car to the track and run a 13.8 you'll understand were Im coming from and how just running a 13.5 is no easy feat in a 04 goat. NEVERMIND a low 13!!!!
But anyway - look they are ALL running low 13's. Go figure.
I consistently ran 13.10's - 13.20's in my 04 when stock.
I'm sorry your vette is slow - no need to take it out on the 04 m6 GTO's.
01-18-2006, 09:06 AM
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2.73 doesn't get it. My car ran 13.6 the first track day I went to. After another 3 trips, it got down to 13.25. Now is my car average because of the 13.6 or a freak because of the 13.25? Same car, same driver.
I am certain that it would have gotten down to 13.1 had I kept at it but I started modding the car. My point, my car is average.
I am certain that it would have gotten down to 13.1 had I kept at it but I started modding the car. My point, my car is average.
01-19-2006, 01:11 AM
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Some interesting replies and some good points have been presented here for a question that has no real answer. Dyno numbers are probably easier to define than 1/4 mile times because the driver is removed from the variables. Most of the numbers I have seen range about 295-300rwhp for the M6 and 280-285rwhp for the A4.
As for 1/4 mile times, when someone asks what a typical stock 04 runs, I would assume he means a typical O4 with a typical driver. The GTO is a bitch to launch consistently and the typical drivers that I have observed will run the gamut from 13.5-14.0 seconds in a stock 04. OTOH, I have seen some drivers that would kill for a sub-14 second time and others that feel they screwed the pass if they run higher than 13.3; but neither of these are typical. The GTO is like any other car in that respect...the easiest way to change ETs is to change the driver.
It really doesn't matter much; because you will be hard pressed to find a stock 04 at the track anymore. Most 04s, as a minimum, are now running some combination of modified intakes, exhausts, and DRs in conjunction with a tune. Many have, of course, taken the mods much further.
The launch problem is the same for 05s. The NA time in my signature is my best time...not my average. I will normally run ~13.3 without nitrous on a stock motor. I consider myself to be a typical driver. I have no doubt that there are some drivers that could turn better times with my car and others that could make it run in the high 13s. The funny thing is that, since I got the GTO, I always look at the 60' times before checking the 1/4 mile times. If the 60' is good, the rest of the pass usually takes care of itself.
As for 1/4 mile times, when someone asks what a typical stock 04 runs, I would assume he means a typical O4 with a typical driver. The GTO is a bitch to launch consistently and the typical drivers that I have observed will run the gamut from 13.5-14.0 seconds in a stock 04. OTOH, I have seen some drivers that would kill for a sub-14 second time and others that feel they screwed the pass if they run higher than 13.3; but neither of these are typical. The GTO is like any other car in that respect...the easiest way to change ETs is to change the driver.
It really doesn't matter much; because you will be hard pressed to find a stock 04 at the track anymore. Most 04s, as a minimum, are now running some combination of modified intakes, exhausts, and DRs in conjunction with a tune. Many have, of course, taken the mods much further.
The launch problem is the same for 05s. The NA time in my signature is my best time...not my average. I will normally run ~13.3 without nitrous on a stock motor. I consider myself to be a typical driver. I have no doubt that there are some drivers that could turn better times with my car and others that could make it run in the high 13s. The funny thing is that, since I got the GTO, I always look at the 60' times before checking the 1/4 mile times. If the 60' is good, the rest of the pass usually takes care of itself.
01-19-2006, 06:17 AM
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Nvig R8...Thats real funny man. but my C5 wasnt slow. It actually dynoed higher and ran quicker than all the other vettes at my track stock for stock...
Remember that my 13.5 is only 5 tenths behind the 2002 Z06's that run 13.0's at my track...
The 04 GTO's at my track run 14's....Wich is still respectable when you figure that they are only 1 second behind the 2002 Z06...
If it's true that at your tracks in the mainland stock 02 Z06's can run 12.4's-12.6's bone stock...Then my C5 would have ran 12.9-13.1 bone stock at your tracks....
The GTO's running 14.0's here would be running 13.4'-13.6's at your tracks.
Since my A4 dynoed 10-20 rwhp above average. I dont find those numbers hard to beleave at all.
But NE ways Im not trying to have a pissing contest. I KNOW that C5 vettes are faster than 04 GOATS...Not to many people
would dispute that.
Now 05 goats. Thats a different story.
NEways.. Too get back on topic....This was all stated cas someone asked for a normal/ average time...
LOW 13'S ARE YOUR BEST TIMES. NO WERE NEAR AVERAGE. WHATS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT.
As Ive stated so many times.....A bone stock C5 can really go to a track and run a 13.0-13.5 By 90% of the people that drive them....The fast ones can hit 12.9's. The fastest ones have hit 12.6's.
So I could safely say that A C5 is a low 13 second car on average....Some people will be close to 13.0...Some people will be close to 13.5....The average is around 13.3.
So the C5 is a low 13 second car on Average...
Your 04 GTO is normally a 13.5-14.0 car by 90% of the people that drive them..The fastest ones it low 13's.
So if the fastest ones are hitting low 13's and 90% of everyone else is in the 13.5-14.0 range....
The average would be 13.7....Thats a high 13...Not a low 13 LOL???!!!!
But you want to use the fastest of the fast numbers to get a normal/average time???
Thats somthing that SRT-4 guys do...And it has no place on LS1 tech....
Theres a simple precedence that most of us know... It goes a little somthing like this...
2002 Z06-mid 12's
1997-2004 C5-low 13's
2005 GTO-low 13's
1998-2002 F body-low to mid 13's
CTSV-low to mid 13's
2004 GTO-mid to high 13's
This list isnt here to tell you how some 2002 Z06's ahave ran 11's...Or some C5's have ran mid 12's...Or some 2005 GTO's have ran 12's....Or some Fbodys have ran high 12's....Or how some CTSV's have run high 12's....Or how some 04 Goats hae ran low 13's..
It's to show what most people think the average one will run. I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT BEFORE.. BUT MAYBE SINCE THE 04 GOAT IS THE SLOWEST LS1 CAR MADE.....THATS THE REASON SOME OF YOU WILL NOT JUST ADMIT THE OBVIOUS.
Remember that my 13.5 is only 5 tenths behind the 2002 Z06's that run 13.0's at my track...
The 04 GTO's at my track run 14's....Wich is still respectable when you figure that they are only 1 second behind the 2002 Z06...
If it's true that at your tracks in the mainland stock 02 Z06's can run 12.4's-12.6's bone stock...Then my C5 would have ran 12.9-13.1 bone stock at your tracks....
The GTO's running 14.0's here would be running 13.4'-13.6's at your tracks.
Since my A4 dynoed 10-20 rwhp above average. I dont find those numbers hard to beleave at all.
But NE ways Im not trying to have a pissing contest. I KNOW that C5 vettes are faster than 04 GOATS...Not to many people
would dispute that.
Now 05 goats. Thats a different story.
NEways.. Too get back on topic....This was all stated cas someone asked for a normal/ average time...
LOW 13'S ARE YOUR BEST TIMES. NO WERE NEAR AVERAGE. WHATS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT.
As Ive stated so many times.....A bone stock C5 can really go to a track and run a 13.0-13.5 By 90% of the people that drive them....The fast ones can hit 12.9's. The fastest ones have hit 12.6's.
So I could safely say that A C5 is a low 13 second car on average....Some people will be close to 13.0...Some people will be close to 13.5....The average is around 13.3.
So the C5 is a low 13 second car on Average...
Your 04 GTO is normally a 13.5-14.0 car by 90% of the people that drive them..The fastest ones it low 13's.
So if the fastest ones are hitting low 13's and 90% of everyone else is in the 13.5-14.0 range....
The average would be 13.7....Thats a high 13...Not a low 13 LOL???!!!!
But you want to use the fastest of the fast numbers to get a normal/average time???
Thats somthing that SRT-4 guys do...And it has no place on LS1 tech....
Theres a simple precedence that most of us know... It goes a little somthing like this...
2002 Z06-mid 12's
1997-2004 C5-low 13's
2005 GTO-low 13's
1998-2002 F body-low to mid 13's
CTSV-low to mid 13's
2004 GTO-mid to high 13's
This list isnt here to tell you how some 2002 Z06's ahave ran 11's...Or some C5's have ran mid 12's...Or some 2005 GTO's have ran 12's....Or some Fbodys have ran high 12's....Or how some CTSV's have run high 12's....Or how some 04 Goats hae ran low 13's..
It's to show what most people think the average one will run. I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT BEFORE.. BUT MAYBE SINCE THE 04 GOAT IS THE SLOWEST LS1 CAR MADE.....THATS THE REASON SOME OF YOU WILL NOT JUST ADMIT THE OBVIOUS.
01-19-2006, 06:30 AM
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oH btw. Heres a link to show you what a bone stock car needs to be able to do on average to be considered a low 13 second car...
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...7&forum_id=108
This is not a top ten list.. this is a list I have been creating for two months from people posting there best bone stock times on another thread...
As you can see the C5 really is a low 13 second car on average...
Now If i wanted to I could just take the 4 of the 12 second cars and grab 6 of the other 13.0 second cars and say...
man what are you talking about..ALL c5's can run high 12's to low-low 13's..look at this list.
But that would be the fastest times to expect from a C5.. Not the Average.
And how many of those top 10 were factory freaks? How many of them ran in a DA of negative 1000-1500?
The top 10 can never represent an average....Now out of those 50 different C5's....The average would be a low 13.
So that would be a fair representation of what a bone stock C5 can run.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...7&forum_id=108
This is not a top ten list.. this is a list I have been creating for two months from people posting there best bone stock times on another thread...
As you can see the C5 really is a low 13 second car on average...
Now If i wanted to I could just take the 4 of the 12 second cars and grab 6 of the other 13.0 second cars and say...
man what are you talking about..ALL c5's can run high 12's to low-low 13's..look at this list.
But that would be the fastest times to expect from a C5.. Not the Average.
And how many of those top 10 were factory freaks? How many of them ran in a DA of negative 1000-1500?
The top 10 can never represent an average....Now out of those 50 different C5's....The average would be a low 13.
So that would be a fair representation of what a bone stock C5 can run.
01-19-2006, 09:17 AM
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Thanks 2.73 Vette for taking the time to type in all that information
schooling us how slow our GTOs really are. Im sure we will be able to reflect
on this and put that to good use. Its just lucky for us that you
have the free time to spend on a GTO board to bring us this info.
schooling us how slow our GTOs really are. Im sure we will be able to reflect
on this and put that to good use. Its just lucky for us that you
have the free time to spend on a GTO board to bring us this info.
01-19-2006, 12:28 PM
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Thanks 2.73 Vette for taking the time to type in all that information
schooling us how slow our GTOs really are. Im sure we will be able to reflect
on this and put that to good use. Its just lucky for us that you
have the free time to spend on a GTO board to bring us this info.
schooling us how slow our GTOs really are. Im sure we will be able to reflect
on this and put that to good use. Its just lucky for us that you
have the free time to spend on a GTO board to bring us this info.
01-19-2006, 07:14 PM
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Once again you guys bring the sorry excuses.
NO ONE IS ARGUING THAT A BONE STOCK 04 GOAT IN THE HANDS OF A GREAT DRIVER...OR IN A NEGATIVE DA...OR IF IT'S A FACTORY FREAK...CAN RUN A LOW 13.....YOU GUYS HAVE MORE THAN PROVED THIS....THE ARGUMENT IS THAT THE AVERAGE 04 GTO WILL NOT RUN A LOW 13. C5'S AND 05 GTO'S RUN LOW 13'S WITH NORMAL DRIVERS AT NORMAL TRACKS. YOU GUYS CANT MAKE THAT CLAIM....NEWAYS....TOO ANY ONE WHO WAS UNBIASED..THEY WOULD RELIZE THAT WHEN TALKING ABOUT THE AVERAGE 04 GTO. IM CORRECT.
The reason i take the time to post this is number 1...I love a good debate and I usually learn things in the process. number2. I hate when people make a car seem like it's average times are what the fastest people have ran..
This same thing happenned to me when I bought my C5... I went from site to site trying to figure out how fast a 2.73 C5 could go bone stock..
everyone told me that some had did 12.9 and a lot in the 13.1 range...
So when I bought my car I was figuring it could run a 12.9-13.2 based on what everyone told me...Too my surprise I only ran a 13.5...I go andpost up on my run and then suddennly everyone sings a different song about how thats an average time and all the times they had told me about before with people running 12.9's were the best of the best...
If they had just told me 13.3-13.6 on average from the very beginning I would have not been so dissapointed....But the 2.73 C5 owners ( just like some of you guys) only posted up the best times for me to see. I now realize that there are some people that havent done better than 13.6-13.7 in there A4 2.73 C5's...Were where there numbers when I asked my questions???
simple.. No one wants to post up there mid- high 13's when other people are posting high12's to low 13's.. So thats all you ever see.
I was just trying to protect any possible 04 GTO owners from being ACCIDENTALLY deceived the same way I was...
IMHO..If a guy wants a GOAT and really expects to be able to run a low 13 with his average skills on an average track. he should get a 05 goat...In the 04...As some of you have proven...With the moon and the planets alighned it is possible. But still no were near average.
YES IN STOCK FORM THE 04 GOAT IS KNOWN AS THE SLOWEST LS1... But possible low 13's- high 13's is still no were near slow and will still whoop most cars out there...
A simple CAI and headers can easily get them to 05 GTO performance.
So Im not dissing them. Id rather have the 04 goat then a 02 fbody just for the interior alone.
NO ONE IS ARGUING THAT A BONE STOCK 04 GOAT IN THE HANDS OF A GREAT DRIVER...OR IN A NEGATIVE DA...OR IF IT'S A FACTORY FREAK...CAN RUN A LOW 13.....YOU GUYS HAVE MORE THAN PROVED THIS....THE ARGUMENT IS THAT THE AVERAGE 04 GTO WILL NOT RUN A LOW 13. C5'S AND 05 GTO'S RUN LOW 13'S WITH NORMAL DRIVERS AT NORMAL TRACKS. YOU GUYS CANT MAKE THAT CLAIM....NEWAYS....TOO ANY ONE WHO WAS UNBIASED..THEY WOULD RELIZE THAT WHEN TALKING ABOUT THE AVERAGE 04 GTO. IM CORRECT.
The reason i take the time to post this is number 1...I love a good debate and I usually learn things in the process. number2. I hate when people make a car seem like it's average times are what the fastest people have ran..
This same thing happenned to me when I bought my C5... I went from site to site trying to figure out how fast a 2.73 C5 could go bone stock..
everyone told me that some had did 12.9 and a lot in the 13.1 range...
So when I bought my car I was figuring it could run a 12.9-13.2 based on what everyone told me...Too my surprise I only ran a 13.5...I go andpost up on my run and then suddennly everyone sings a different song about how thats an average time and all the times they had told me about before with people running 12.9's were the best of the best...
If they had just told me 13.3-13.6 on average from the very beginning I would have not been so dissapointed....But the 2.73 C5 owners ( just like some of you guys) only posted up the best times for me to see. I now realize that there are some people that havent done better than 13.6-13.7 in there A4 2.73 C5's...Were where there numbers when I asked my questions???
simple.. No one wants to post up there mid- high 13's when other people are posting high12's to low 13's.. So thats all you ever see.
I was just trying to protect any possible 04 GTO owners from being ACCIDENTALLY deceived the same way I was...
IMHO..If a guy wants a GOAT and really expects to be able to run a low 13 with his average skills on an average track. he should get a 05 goat...In the 04...As some of you have proven...With the moon and the planets alighned it is possible. But still no were near average.
YES IN STOCK FORM THE 04 GOAT IS KNOWN AS THE SLOWEST LS1... But possible low 13's- high 13's is still no were near slow and will still whoop most cars out there...
A simple CAI and headers can easily get them to 05 GTO performance.
So Im not dissing them. Id rather have the 04 goat then a 02 fbody just for the interior alone.