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Old 08-30-2006 | 11:52 PM
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Old 08-30-2006 | 11:55 PM
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Those 05's were turning low 13's/high 12's last year at MIR. They ain't no slouch!
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thats exactly what you DON'T want in a drift car. something to throw you directly into the rail at the slightest breeze. a well balanced, good drift car is only slid when and how much you want it to. it's about the weight balance, not just powersliding.. but they are fun to spin donuts in...

Nah, what I was trying to say was the back end didn't move like I wanted it to. I COULD whip the F-bodies *** around if I wanted to, I didn't say it did it when I didn't want it to. I had basically every suspension component replaced with the crap it needed to get the job done right, luckily I actually built the car correctly and it raped the road like it was supposed to.

It was scary when it did it but my Z28 was able to seriously out handle my C5, though I did have 17k in performance parts on the car before I sold it... The C5 was so much smoother around bumpy turns (IRS) the only problem is it was going about 15-20 mph slower (25 when my wife drove it).

Besides drifting is only gay if you haven't tried it and you don't have roads where you can do it. It is a blast when you do it, lastly drifting is not only for ricers it is also for Canadians.
Old 08-31-2006 | 09:42 AM
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My '04 Goat ran 13.51 at 102 bone stock on factory tires. It put down 308 to the tires. Most issues I have seen are just the driver. And there is no TM on the M6s, A4s only. Well, there is T/C until you push the button...
Old 08-31-2006 | 10:09 AM
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Maybe not necessarily tq mgmt, although tq mgmt does have provisions to pull throttle on ETC equipped cars, post 04.

The factory tune does have a bunch of stuff that pulls throttle based on less than ideal conditions, abuse mode, unreasonable IAT throttle control, less advance, etc.

All these things have been generally thrown in to the tq mgmt bucket when talking about the factory tune, especially on post 04 cars with ETC in which the ecu can actually pull throttle in addition to timing.
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Originally Posted by bronko91
My '04 Goat ran 13.51 at 102 bone stock on factory tires. It put down 308 to the tires. Most issues I have seen are just the driver. And there is no TM on the M6s, A4s only. Well, there is T/C until you push the button...


There is no torque managemnt on the 2004 M6 cars. There is on the 2005-2006 M6 GTOs.
Old 08-31-2006 | 06:48 PM
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Last time I dynoed my 01 ss a 05 gto went right after me, he had intake, jba headers, magnaflow cat back, some kind of y pipe. and the dyno tune, and layed down a 340 on that day. 10 or 8 hp less than my, 220TR cam and bolt ons in a CA. smog legal car... well it will pass smog as long as nobody tells them I changed the cam.
Old 08-31-2006 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by merckx
Last time I dynoed my 01 ss a 05 gto went right after me, he had intake, jba headers, magnaflow cat back, some kind of y pipe. and the dyno tune, and layed down a 340 on that day. 10 or 8 hp less than my, 220TR cam and bolt ons in a CA. smog legal car... well it will pass smog as long as nobody tells them I changed the cam.
Something is seriously wrong with that goat then Most LS2 goats with those mods put down around 370-380RWHP. Mine put down 355RWHP with a K&N filter and Flowmaster replacement mufflers.

BTW, we don't have y-pipes....true dual.
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Mustang dyno maybe?
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Originally Posted by Genesis_26317
Nah, what I was trying to say was the back end didn't move like I wanted it to. I COULD whip the F-bodies *** around if I wanted to, I didn't say it did it when I didn't want it to. I had basically every suspension component replaced with the crap it needed to get the job done right, luckily I actually built the car correctly and it raped the road like it was supposed to.

It was scary when it did it but my Z28 was able to seriously out handle my C5, though I did have 17k in performance parts on the car before I sold it... The C5 was so much smoother around bumpy turns (IRS) the only problem is it was going about 15-20 mph slower (25 when my wife drove it).

Besides drifting is only gay if you haven't tried it and you don't have roads where you can do it. It is a blast when you do it, lastly drifting is not only for ricers it is also for Canadians.
well i guess it depends on the style of the driver and what they are most comfortable in.. for myself, i prefer the feel of the irs to the sra, the sra articulates in a way that feels a bit awkward, whereas the irs basically has the same amount of force applied to both sides, only being governed by the weight transition. i guess its cause i learned in irs, and it's all i drive.

and i guess these people are saying it's gay because they a- are scared. b- can't do it. or c- want to be trendy and bag on ricers. if lisa kubo can hit 9's in a honda, the quarter mile gets no respect from me. hey rice baggers- a girl goes faster than you in a honda. get a new sport.
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Originally Posted by FinalTA
Something is seriously wrong with that goat then Most LS2 goats with those mods put down around 370-380RWHP. Mine put down 355RWHP with a K&N filter and Flowmaster replacement mufflers.

BTW, we don't have y-pipes....true dual.
370-380RWHP with those mods I would say no, especially without a dyno tune.

After saying that the LS2 GTO's seem to be picky about mods. I've heard of quite a few people actually losing power with adding CAI's and other mods to help the airflow out without a dyno tune... which could be the reason for somewhat low dyno #'s (depends on what dyno it was too).

On another note dynos are nothing but a tool to help dial in your car to get the most out of it. Dyno #'s really mean nothing... of course this is my opinion.
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Originally Posted by CSiJason
The factory tune is also the real setback on the GTO due to torque managment (which pulls up to 60% of the power below 4000rpm depending on the gear and a number of other conditions, regardless if Traction Control is enabled or not) and the factory tune is extremely rich and pulls a LOT of timing (up to 11°) when intake temps are above 80°.
You said a mouthful, CSIJason. Heatsoak is a major issue for the new GTOs. Below are the dyno results for my goat with a few bolt-ons, notice the A/F for the stock tune:



The 372 rwhp / 370 rwtq was made after the car was allowed to cool...and we are still talking about a 92 F day.

During a trip to Florida, I was fortunate enough to hook-up with Jeremy Formato. Before any work was done, a baseline pull was made. That 372/370 became 352/349. Jeremy ported the stock intake manifold and worked his magic with the tune. After 3 back-to-back pulls, the results were 374/367 and I know it was hotter than 92 F when the last pull was made. Below are the results from Jeremy's tune:



With that being said, a tune will do wonders for the performance of the new GTO. I am really looking forward to some cool weather to see what ol' Betsy feels like.

-K

P.S. Thanks again, Jeremy.
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I say it is gay because it is a "judged" event...kinda like Figure Skating. Drifting has been around for a long long time. it is called dirt tracking.
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so you're scared. or not good. and you're thinking of rally. yeah, i do that too.. just not with the goat. i would assume you don't... since you think it's gay.
Old 09-01-2006 | 12:57 AM
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Could you tell me the max tires sizes front and rear for an 06 gto. i would like to go 275/40R18 rear and 235/40R18 front.
Old 09-01-2006 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 05_GTO
370-380RWHP with those mods I would say no, especially without a dyno tune.

After saying that the LS2 GTO's seem to be picky about mods. I've heard of quite a few people actually losing power with adding CAI's and other mods to help the airflow out without a dyno tune... which could be the reason for somewhat low dyno #'s (depends on what dyno it was too).

On another note dynos are nothing but a tool to help dial in your car to get the most out of it. Dyno #'s really mean nothing... of course this is my opinion.
He said it had a dyno tune as well...

I agree with you on the fact that dynos are nothing but a tool to help dial in your car to get the most out of it.
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so you're scared. or not good. and you're thinking of rally. yeah, i do that too.. just not with the goat. i would assume you don't... since you think it's gay.
Don't feel bad bub...it is ok...I'm sure your mommy still thinks your cool. Look it up junior DIRT TRACKING. I've Been "drifting" for years on pavment and on dirt. Best place to do it is in Germany out on the back roads between the lil villages...roads are really twisty and there is very very lil traffic. Any thing where a biased judge can say who wins that is not based on any quantifiable information is kinda lame....Figureskating.....Sycronized Swimming...I am both unscared and good...I do not need a lil baby to Question me....Thank the gods that drifting is already starting to fade.....when the new "in" fad comes and goes I bet you will be tip swinging from that new "sport" too while drag racing (and road/drit track/rally) will still be going strong.
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Originally Posted by 06X6spdGTO
Could you tell me the max tires sizes front and rear for an 06 gto. i would like to go 275/40R18 rear and 235/40R18 front.

i dont know the specs on the gto wheels as i am a trans am guy.. but a 275 requires safely a 9" wheel and a 235 requires a 7" however i doubt your goat has anything smaller than a 245 so i wouldnt go lower. if i was you i would run a 245/45 or stock front tire and 275 40 to keep the heights close.
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Originally Posted by aja342
Don't feel bad bub...it is ok...I'm sure your mommy still thinks your cool. Look it up junior DIRT TRACKING. I've Been "drifting" for years on pavment and on dirt. Best place to do it is in Germany out on the back roads between the lil villages...roads are really twisty and there is very very lil traffic. Any thing where a biased judge can say who wins that is not based on any quantifiable information is kinda lame....Figureskating.....Sycronized Swimming...I am both unscared and good...I do not need a lil baby to Question me....Thank the gods that drifting is already starting to fade.....when the new "in" fad comes and goes I bet you will be tip swinging from that new "sport" too while drag racing (and road/drit track/rally) will still be going strong.
and i suppose you run 12's with that predator....... nuff said
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Originally Posted by FinalTA
He said it had a dyno tune as well...

I agree with you on the fact that dynos are nothing but a tool to help dial in your car to get the most out of it.
Yes it seems that you are correct about the dyno tune... missed that part. I would have to also say there is something messed up with that car or the dyno. Either way getting 380RWHP out of these cars is more than just a few bolt ons and a dyno tune.

As far as max tire sizes 245/45/17's front and 275/40/17's in the rear (so on and so forth with different rim sizes). Of course depending on your wheels/offsets you will probably have to roll or grind the fenders to get 275's to fit with no rubbing.


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