seriously, you need to calm down. The internets is not serious bidness.

Mitch I'm sure has quite a bit more experience than you. And Mitch is right, everyone has different goals in mind with their personal cars.

If I read the 1st post, my comment would have been just go and drive the car/get seat time, then decide what you want to do with it. But like Mitch said, there are those people who while they don't race or compete, want something similar out of there "street" car (and 9/10 times once someone goes to a road course, they continue going until funds don't allow it making it an ongoing thing...they get the 'itch'). My 2002 SS for example is a full weight (heavy pig), with Strano suspension, a 228 cam, and LTs+3" TDs...hardly street legal in CA. But I did it. Would I pull my AC for weight on the SS, hell no but I know a couple people who have for drag racing (and they only go every few months if that). Everyone has a different goal in mind with their car.

And regardless of a persons abilities on track, a lighter weight vehicle (lighter than it's stock weight) takes much less abuse while being tracked then a stock weight or heavier vehicle. It will also consume less consumables (brake pads/hubs/tires/etc), and will be easier to drive due to being more nimble and able to rotate better. That is a fact.

 

Wow ...

I have EM on my ignore list for obvious reasons. I see his comments though in Sik's quote post.

I'm not disagreeing with EM because he is EM ... I chose not to see his posts. I'm disagreeing with EM because he's wrong, as evidenced by everyone else in this thread who is also disagreeing with EM.


So ... the OP asked ....

The OP is asking if 200lbs will make a difference and how much?

Everyone that's actually done it, says yes.

Those that just read about it on the internet, says no.

So ... taws6, who would you believe?

 

mitch you trouble maker..... lol

why do you have disagree with forum members just to be an ahole. haha

if anything this thread made me laugh today!

 

Troublemaker? meh ... not so much.
Opinionated? I'll give you that. I ask "Why?" a lot. And I take issue when the answer is "because I said so". That's a huge red flag for me. I don't stroke egos. I'm too old for that BS.

If you are refferring to this specific thread and EM's claim I'm disagreeing with him because it's EM ... like I said, he's on my ignore list. I had no idea what he posted.

The ignore list is a great tool and I've suggested on numerous occasions that EM put me on his ignore list. For some odd reason, he doesn't do it.

 

Im just instigating...and poking fun. adding to the fire I guess.

Cmon guys lighten up it's almost Friday and spring break is the reason I live in Corpus Christi !!!!!!!!!!

 

heres bitch being his usual arrogant ******* self again. he didnt even read the thread title, which i quoted. the OP asked "weight reduction, IS IT WORTH IT." it does not say "weight reduction, does it make any difference at all"

now once again, since there are STILL ******** like bitch who refuse to listen to anyone else on the planet. is it REALLY WORTH IT to strip things such as AC and BUMPER SUPPORTS just for an HPDE? hell no. especially when youll have an instructor with you, negating whatever weight you took out.

losing extra things like the spare, jack, floormats are more for safety as they are weight saving. of ALL the things NOT to take out, should be the bumpers. if anything happens and you spin out, wreck, whatever, you dont have a cage or a bar to protect you. the only thing youll have is what was designed in the car in the first place. on RACE CARS you take out bumpers and whatnot, because you have a full cage to do the job of protection. but to take them out just for an HPDE???

nowhere did i say losing weight will NOT make a difference. i said many times race cars do everything for a few pounds, including cutting bolts down. i was answering the OPs question directly. i said it is NOT WORTH IT for an HPDE. what is so hard for people to understand about that? is it really worth pulling the bumpers off just for a track day, and then what, leave them off for street driving? losing the AC in his driver just for a track day? if hes never going to use the AC, then fine. but is it worth the trouble of taking it all apart, then reassembling, then having it evacuated and charged again, just for one track day? is it worth pulling apart your bumpers every time you autox or have a HPDE??

ill add one more thing.....its funny how many people worry about losing weight in their car, yet they have a gut down to their knees.

 

Wow... so this has gotten out of hand...

So to sum things up here, we have gathered that less weight helps the performance of a car tremendously. Are DE's about winning??? No. Would Echo strip his car?? No. Is it worth removing the weight for DE's??? That is completely up to taws6. In the end we are just here to give our opinions and give proven information so that people are able to make a decision based on his/her personal goals for the future of their car.

 

I figured as much ... so what's the scenery like in CC this week?

April 23rd I am crew chief for the #70 E1 Enduro Team at Texas World Speedway. It's a 6 hour enduro beginning at 1300.

We could use some crew members ... no pay, but a helluva lot of fun.

We've won the class two years running, beating Jason Saini's Miatas on fuel economy. They hated that.

And last year, we took the overall win, again on fuel econmy and pit strategy.

Check your schedule ...

/hijack

OT ...

We won because the car was stripped ...

 

LOL.

 

Hey TAWS6,

When and where are you doing this? Is it during the weekends? If its on the weekends, I'm down.

 

Hmmm. HHMMM. lots of bikinis sucka!!!

Skipping out to the beach tomorrow.

I'll have to consider the invite mitch! We'll see......

 

Wow, thanks for all your imput.
Seems like everytime I come in here a fight starts lol!

The weight reduction I'm considering is not just for a one day track event, but to generally help my car handle better around where I live, I don't like the fact my V8 isn't killing everything. (Agreed, there's always someone faster!)

Duely noted, and I'm now considering a Vette. Would a C5 give the AWD a much better run for there money round the corners?

I guess I'm at a cross road where I need to decide to mod and strip the TA, or step up to the Vette....I prefer the looks of the TA, although the Vette is sexy too.

Seems the general concensus is 200 LB off the TA will give me an advantage, and I should feel the advantage.

I'm not using the TA for the track day, but the day will offer me some driver training, so will be good experience.

Want to rattle the AWD, z3's, mx5's etc , and I'm happy to strip it. I guess it depends how well a stripped bolt on A4 LS1 TA handles and performs.....

That's me. The TA's good, but could be better, and seriously considering a Vette. They seem like they're a fair bit better for the corners, and a few mods would make it a real beast over here.

Hey bene, Sorry I missed ya at checkers the other Sunday, if I'd known you were going I'd have tried harder to get there.

Brands Hatch is in Kent, just south east of London, and I hear it's one of the UK better road courses. It looks more of a roller coaster than a track hehe http://www.clubmsv.com/car-home/circuits.aspx

I'm going on April the 8th (a Thursday) for the novice morning session, would be great if you could make it.

Got ta love the summer, the legs and low cut tops are finally back out here too

Thanks for all you opinions

 

I forgot you're in England..yea, you can take out the AC

take video at brands hatch and go to silverstone..and take video....then post both

 

AC not as needed here as in the US, but we still get hose pipe bans and drouts though!

Silverstone a bit naff in comparision, Donningtons great too I hear, but it's a good 5 hours drive from me.

I'll try and get some video of Brands hatch though

 

I'll ask my boss if I can take leave that day. I already have the camera, and the mount for it.

 

Hi bene

Would be good to see you there.
PM sent regarding details

 

I know the difference when someone is in my passenger seat. Cant say track time lol but its my car and i know when theres additional weight. I can definatly tell the difference when im braking also

 

Do you know Rayman Kinman? He had red LSx TA he road raced and hit the local Corpus tracks.

We did the cage in that car just before he sold it.

And to keep it on topic ... Rayman's car was stripped.

 

2000Z28M6, damn, you've really got me wondering now

 

My street car is a 2002 SS that has springs/swaybars/shocks/aggressive DOT r-comps/cammed/full exhaust etc etc.

My racecar is a gutted C5Z but otherwise the same mods minus the cam, just sitting in them, there's no comparison. The feel on track between them is day/night. I've never been in a fully tracked prepped 4th gen fbody (would love to), but the feel of the C5Z really does feel like a proper sports car. As it should too since the fbody is a pony car/muscle car designed for drag racing.

If you have the means to take on another car, or sell your TA for a C5 or C6, you will thank yourself later

That being said, there are a lot of 4th gen fbodies that take to the road course like champs and Mitch can attest to that