Lets Talk Brakes....
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Re: Lets Talk Brakes.... I've certainly gone through my share of brakes of late.
I guess I'd like to know what kits are out there that will work with stock rims in 16" and 17" varieties.
If the kits won't work with a stock configuraion, what does it take to make it work.
Lou had advertised about a Wilwood kit for f-Bods that seems rather affordable. How will they work with the stock rims? Do you guys need a test car?
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Also, I heard rumors about a kit to adapt C5 rotors to an F-Body. Have you heard anything?
I guess for the budget minded racer that I am, I have to find a kit that will be more lucrative than just buying a set of rotors every weekend I race (3 ro 4 times a year)
I guess I'd like to know what kits are out there that will work with stock rims in 16" and 17" varieties.
If the kits won't work with a stock configuraion, what does it take to make it work.
Lou had advertised about a Wilwood kit for f-Bods that seems rather affordable. How will they work with the stock rims? Do you guys need a test car?
<img src="images/icons/grin.gif" border="0">
Also, I heard rumors about a kit to adapt C5 rotors to an F-Body. Have you heard anything?
I guess for the budget minded racer that I am, I have to find a kit that will be more lucrative than just buying a set of rotors every weekend I race (3 ro 4 times a year)
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From: Round Rock, Texas
Re: Lets Talk Brakes.... [quote]Originally posted by mitchntx:
<strong>Also, I heard rumors about a kit to adapt C5 rotors to an F-Body. Have you heard anything?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Many 'vette owners (including myself) are warping C5 stock rotors pretty easily. I'd imagine it would only get worse using them on a heavier car.
<strong>Also, I heard rumors about a kit to adapt C5 rotors to an F-Body. Have you heard anything?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Many 'vette owners (including myself) are warping C5 stock rotors pretty easily. I'd imagine it would only get worse using them on a heavier car.
Re: Lets Talk Brakes.... Mitch,well have a kit out sooooon that fits those exact needs.....stay tuned.
www.LGMotorsports.com
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www.LGMotorsports.com
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Re: Lets Talk Brakes.... [quote]Originally posted by 449pacecar:
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Many 'vette owners (including myself) are warping C5 stock rotors pretty easily. I'd imagine it would only get worse using them on a heavier car.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Racing or street applications?
Which pads?
Louis <img src="images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">
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Many 'vette owners (including myself) are warping C5 stock rotors pretty easily. I'd imagine it would only get worse using them on a heavier car.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Racing or street applications?
Which pads?
Louis <img src="images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">
Re: Lets Talk Brakes.... Well I understand my LT1 brakes are way behind in stopping power, although for my first time out I was quite happy with them. I realize this does mean that wasn't going fast enough. <img src="images/icons/blush.gif" border="0">
BTW, my calipers & rotors are stock with PFC90 pads and HD Ford racing break fluid.
Will the new Willwood kit or the kit to adapt C5 brakes work on a LT1, or should I first do the LS1 upgrade then worry about a better setup?
Oh yeah Louis, this is James if you didn't figure that out since I am the only one with a LT1. <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0">
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BTW, my calipers & rotors are stock with PFC90 pads and HD Ford racing break fluid.
Will the new Willwood kit or the kit to adapt C5 brakes work on a LT1, or should I first do the LS1 upgrade then worry about a better setup?
Oh yeah Louis, this is James if you didn't figure that out since I am the only one with a LT1. <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0">
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Re: Lets Talk Brakes.... Allzway,
The stock LT1 brakes are horrible. I had a 94Z that I road raced alot. Swapped over to the LS1 f-body brake for around 250 complete. Best mod out there. Like night and day. Once you start driving the **** out of the LT1 brakes they will fade like a bitch. They were a direct swap. You will need the steering knuckles, caliper assembly and hoses. I would also go with differnt rotors than stock.
The stock LT1 brakes are horrible. I had a 94Z that I road raced alot. Swapped over to the LS1 f-body brake for around 250 complete. Best mod out there. Like night and day. Once you start driving the **** out of the LT1 brakes they will fade like a bitch. They were a direct swap. You will need the steering knuckles, caliper assembly and hoses. I would also go with differnt rotors than stock.
Re: Lets Talk Brakes.... Yea James, we're going to have to fix that in the near future <img src="images/icons/wink.gif" border="0"> the pads that you are running, PFC 90s are a great pad. the Ford racing brake fluid max temp will soon be reached with the new kit that you are going to put on <img src="images/icons/grin.gif" border="0"> but for now, what you have will do fine. once YOU reach the limit of those brakes, then we'll upgrade! till then, work on your driving skill.
This is what happens to a rotor that was either a)heated up too quickly(heat shock.....rotor becomes like glass, or B) bad manufacturing process/materials.
I am leaning torwards the latter, because 3 of our members had the EXACT same problem on three DIFFERENT cars. the one car with PowerSlots had no problem at all. just Some food for thought. They were KVR blanks in case you were curious.
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This is what happens to a rotor that was either a)heated up too quickly(heat shock.....rotor becomes like glass, or B) bad manufacturing process/materials.
I am leaning torwards the latter, because 3 of our members had the EXACT same problem on three DIFFERENT cars. the one car with PowerSlots had no problem at all. just Some food for thought. They were KVR blanks in case you were curious.
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Staging Lane
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From: Round Rock, Texas
Re: Lets Talk Brakes.... [quote]Originally posted by mitchntx:
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Racing or street applications?
Which pads?
Louis <img src="images/icons/wink.gif" border="0"> </strong><hr></blockquote>
100%factory bone stock. This is happening on the street. I warped the ones on my '98 in 12,000 miles with no track use. Many others have done the same
Just my opinion, but I wouldn't put stock C5 rotors on an f-body, even if they were free. <img src="images/icons/shocked.gif" border="0">
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Racing or street applications?
Which pads?
Louis <img src="images/icons/wink.gif" border="0"> </strong><hr></blockquote>
100%factory bone stock. This is happening on the street. I warped the ones on my '98 in 12,000 miles with no track use. Many others have done the same
Just my opinion, but I wouldn't put stock C5 rotors on an f-body, even if they were free. <img src="images/icons/shocked.gif" border="0">
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Teching In
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Re: Lets Talk Brakes.... Sorry, but not even the LS1 brakes are good enough on a 400 RWHP car. By all means, LG bring on a new Wilwood kit <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0"> I'll be in line to buy one.
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Re: Lets Talk Brakes.... I ran OEM brakes with Raybestos pads this season, as they are cheap and the rotors are all but free. However, next season, I am running Stop-Techs 14" front brake setup with 4-piston calipers, and running the C5 front 2-pistons calipers and rotors on the rear, assuming I can get the bias worked out.
btw, I run AP600 fluid.
Dave Farmer
btw, I run AP600 fluid.
Dave Farmer
Re: Lets Talk Brakes.... I'm running 13" Baer track kit, not slotted or drilled or anything.
They work very nice on the street, but I want to get my ducting finished before I go back to Road Atlanta... <img src="images/icons/grin.gif" border="0">
They work very nice on the street, but I want to get my ducting finished before I go back to Road Atlanta... <img src="images/icons/grin.gif" border="0">
Lets Talk Brakes.... Alright, there is never enough information about brakes. I dont care what you have for a car, but this discussion is about brakes lets hear it! here, ill start
Car: 98 camaro
Brakes: Brembo 4pot 13" kit from LGM
Pads:Hawk 9012
Rotors: Standard Brembo Floating discs
Lines: Goodridge
Fluid: Castrol SRF
ABS: Factory
Other: heavy car, 3600#s with me in it, 80K miles on 1 set of rotors. Good pedal feel, always there.....no pumping at all. pad is aggressive with no torque at low temperatures, dusty but there is always a compromise, ill take good brakes and dust over fair brakes and less dust any day. no problem with cracking discs, or boiled fluid. Good Modulation.
lets get this rolling, I would like to take all of this information and create a database for all of us to use here! Thanks in advance
Car: 98 camaro
Brakes: Brembo 4pot 13" kit from LGM
Pads:Hawk 9012
Rotors: Standard Brembo Floating discs
Lines: Goodridge
Fluid: Castrol SRF
ABS: Factory
Other: heavy car, 3600#s with me in it, 80K miles on 1 set of rotors. Good pedal feel, always there.....no pumping at all. pad is aggressive with no torque at low temperatures, dusty but there is always a compromise, ill take good brakes and dust over fair brakes and less dust any day. no problem with cracking discs, or boiled fluid. Good Modulation.
lets get this rolling, I would like to take all of this information and create a database for all of us to use here! Thanks in advance
Teching In
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From: The place between your shoulders that you can't reach...
Re: Lets Talk Brakes.... My 1994 Z28 uses the Baer Pro Race 13 1/2" dia, 4 piston Alcon calipers on the front w/ stock 1999 WS6 rear brakes......SS brake lines and good fluid make for a pretty good RR setup that plenty streetable....dusty though!
Pads are around $200/axle and I'm currently needing to replace the rotors..losta' street miles on these.
Pads are around $200/axle and I'm currently needing to replace the rotors..losta' street miles on these.
On The Tree
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From: Kennesaw, Georgia
Re: Lets Talk Brakes.... Hello everyone!
Does 'Wilwood' have a Cal. & Rotors to upgrade
my 2001-SLP-SS?? The other companies listed on
several [reply's] are super..but very expensive.
I was hoping someone has info. on 'Wilwood', I
think they me more cost effective for me. (I plan
on using the car on the track 2 times a year, but
NOT competitively)
Thanks,
Lance <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0">
Does 'Wilwood' have a Cal. & Rotors to upgrade
my 2001-SLP-SS?? The other companies listed on
several [reply's] are super..but very expensive.
I was hoping someone has info. on 'Wilwood', I
think they me more cost effective for me. (I plan
on using the car on the track 2 times a year, but
NOT competitively)
Thanks,
Lance <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0">
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From: DFW, Texas
Re: Lets Talk Brakes.... Stay tuned ...
LGMotorsports is gonna offer a 6 piston Wilwood caliper ond rotor for the front of a '98+ F-body, within days.
Should have already been here ...
LGMotorsports is gonna offer a 6 piston Wilwood caliper ond rotor for the front of a '98+ F-body, within days.
Should have already been here ...
Launching!
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From: Indy
Re: Lets Talk Brakes.... Whats the biggest rotor/caliper combo that will fit inside a 17" wheel? I would love to run 14" rotors in the future but I'm not sure if I can fit a 4-pot caliper inside the wheel with that big of a rotor.
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Re: Lets Talk Brakes.... for that wilwood brakes question
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