FYI, there was a local auto-x around where i live. A porsche GT2 came in and on STREET TIRES and took the best time of the day. Mind you this is against, big block vettes all modded out and many other cars that are on slicks. they have a big weight advantage also. I guess it just depends on the driver, although i think they would have the edge... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

 

TanRchy,
Your right about the weight difference <img border="0" alt="[bang head]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_banghead.gif" /> (GT3 is right at 2000lbs & 430hp) . Last year I raced with the Porsche Club of America and was 3-4 seconds off their times. I was still running stock F1 tires, sway bars, shocks, and pads. I'm hoping I can close the gap this year.

<small>[ March 04, 2003, 12:09 AM: Message edited by: 01firechicken ]</small>

 

I'm stationed in Germany and have been racing at various events(auto-xs mainly). My question is this; with the mods that I have on my WS6 is it possible to out perform a Porsche GT3 and cars of this sort in Auto-x events???? What about on Road courses? <img border="0" alt="[driving]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_driving3.gif" />

 

While it's not a GT3, this is my encounter with a Porsche at alocal road course ...

http://12.213.170.218/mitchntx/MSR_911.wmv

 

mitchntx,
Nice video <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> How long was that course?? Your Hot Rod sounds good <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> I'm interested to see how I fair this year, hopefully I can get close to them. The only suspension mod I have left in Lower A-frames and I'm not sure how much of a difference it'll make.

 

Hey man hows Wiesbaden Lately?
I think we are all SOL when it Comes to that GT3 CUP CAR.

 

Roy,
Fancy meeting you here <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> I think your right, maybe we'll get lucky and he'll have a bad season <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> . I guess we'll just have to "drive it like you stole it" <img border="0" alt="[driving]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_driving3.gif" />
Wiesbaden is great, ate a Jag this morning for breakfast coming home through the mountains <img border="0" alt="[burn out]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_burnout.gif" />
Val

<small>[ March 09, 2003, 02:10 AM: Message edited by: 01firechicken ]</small>

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mitchntx:
<strong> While it's not a GT3, this is my encounter with a Porsche at alocal road course ...

http://12.213.170.218/mitchntx/MSR_911.wmv </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hey ! YOUR SUPPOSED TO PASS THE PORSCHE'S ! lol ! I have to say that I don't generally have any problem's with Porsche's, or BMW's on road courses.

 

It was a 1.7 mile course.

That guy was a really nice guy. We talked afterwards and he said he thought we were pretty evenly matched. I suggested he follow me out and critique my line.

After that run, he came up and said the car was a rocket. He couldn't keep up ... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

 

I could tell you were having to check up behind him. It's still surprising to me how little most Porsche and BMW owners know about the modern fbody. My typical lapping day goes like this. Pull into parking lot. Porsche owners are talking to other Porsche owners. BMW owners are talking to other BMW owners. There is some intermingling among these 2 groups. Nobody notices me or my car.

Go out for 1st session. Pass lots of cars, nobody passes me. Upon pulling back into parking lot a number of Porsche and BMW owners make their way over to me and my car to ask what the hell I've done to it to make it so fast. I tell them it's stock with differant exhaust and a lid + some suspension work.
Suddenly I have friends ! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> At least one, usually more, of these people will invariably ask me how much $$ it would take for them to get into an fbody !
I have a lapping day today ( in the rain ) We'll see what happens !

Bill

 

For what some of these guys have in ARE wheels and Hoosier tires, they can buy a nice LT1 Z28 that would SMOKE them on the track.

I have found the same thing ...

There is a small group of us "outcasts" who run F-Bods with Porsche, BMW, etc. and by and large there is a LOT of mutual respect.

But occasionally, an owner just can't believe that a car costing 1/3 of theirs will outperform a "sportscar".

I actually had an 5 series owner "complain" to me in grid once saying ...

"Must be nice to have twice the horespower."

To which I responded ... "And at 1/2 the price."

He wasn't happy ... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

 

You would be ammazed at the looks you get from the "Porsches" <img border="0" alt="[cry]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cry.gif" /> , "BMWs" <img border="0" alt="[cry]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cry.gif" /> , and the others <img border="0" alt="[cry]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cry.gif" /> when you shift into 6th gear at 147MPH and continue on down the road right by them <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> .
A friend and I raced last year with the Porsche Club of America(auto-X) and at the end of the season the courses where extremely small, in street trim, our times where faster than half the field. Can't wait to see what it'll be like with sticky tires!!!

<small>[ March 12, 2003, 11:27 AM: Message edited by: 01firechicken ]</small>

 

Val I can see the crying already.

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Racehead:
<strong> I could tell you were having to check up behind him. It's still surprising to me how little most Porsche and BMW owners know about the modern fbody. My typical lapping day goes like this. Pull into parking lot. Porsche owners are talking to other Porsche owners. BMW owners are talking to other BMW owners. There is some intermingling among these 2 groups. Nobody notices me or my car.

Go out for 1st session. Pass lots of cars, nobody passes me. Upon pulling back into parking lot a number of Porsche and BMW owners make their way over to me and my car to ask what the hell I've done to it to make it so fast. I tell them it's stock with differant exhaust and a lid + some suspension work.
Suddenly I have friends ! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> At least one, usually more, of these people will invariably ask me how much $$ it would take for them to get into an fbody !
I have a lapping day today ( in the rain ) We'll see what happens !

Bill </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">My buddy is a Big Porsche guy. I send him dyno graphs and he always replies "Too bad that thing is a boat and will only go in a straight line" They all think that independent rear suspension was a quantum leap and strait rear axles are worthless in a turn.

<small>[ March 16, 2003, 06:00 PM: Message edited by: niphilli ]</small>

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by niphilli:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Racehead:
<strong> I could tell you were having to check up behind him. It's still surprising to me how little most Porsche and BMW owners know about the modern fbody. My typical lapping day goes like this. Pull into parking lot. Porsche owners are talking to other Porsche owners. BMW owners are talking to other BMW owners. There is some intermingling among these 2 groups. Nobody notices me or my car.

Go out for 1st session. Pass lots of cars, nobody passes me. Upon pulling back into parking lot a number of Porsche and BMW owners make their way over to me and my car to ask what the hell I've done to it to make it so fast. I tell them it's stock with differant exhaust and a lid + some suspension work.
Suddenly I have friends ! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> At least one, usually more, of these people will invariably ask me how much $$ it would take for them to get into an fbody !
I have a lapping day today ( in the rain ) We'll see what happens !

Bill </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">My buddy is a Big Porsche guy. I send him dyno graphs and he always replies "Too bad that thing is a boat and will only go in a straight line" They all think that independent rear suspension was a quantum leap and strait rear axles are worthless in a turn. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Invite him to the track. Let him chase an fbody thru the turns for 30 minutes and find out that they really do handle. Then let him see what an LS1 will do to him on the straights. I would never want to take anything away from a Porsche. They have great handling, great brakes, and depending on the model, adequate to excellent acceleration straight off the show room floor. But if a Porsche owner wants to keep up with a 15-25K fbody with $1500 in suspension mods on a road course, he's going to have to spend ALOT more money than the fbody guy does. Particularly on high-speed tracks. I thoroughly enjoy proving this <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

PS Once I get my new Prospeed GT3 brake kit on my car, I will have addressed the only shortcoming that I feel that my car has. With major brakes under me I'll then be ready to do what LS1's do best. Make more power. I'll Add about 100-125 rwhp to it. When I do that all I can say is "Porsche/BMW owner you are fucked !! " hehehe !

 

Racehead you will love these brakes . They just keep on stopping time after time after time.

 

I have played with a few Porsche's, but a GT3 is gonna be TOUGH!

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Don't even THINK about hanging with a well driven GT3R Porsche cupp car on a road course. Porsche fanatics are thinking the GT3 cupp car will be faster than the Turbo GT-2... which is Wicked Fast at Road Atlanta!!!