making the convt handle
making the convt handle ok im a newbie at suspension and have only had my car for a few months but already the suspension is holding me back and i want to upgrade some things
its a 99 a4 t/a convt (yea best chioch to road race right
) but i have about a few bucks to play with and just looking to see what would be the best route for me
its a 99 a4 t/a convt (yea best chioch to road race right
) but i have about a few bucks to play with and just looking to see what would be the best route for me A good set of weld in subframe connectors and a set of Eibach ProKit springs are where I would start. They made a huge difference in how my convertible handled, although in efforts to have a "stiff" convertible, I have done just about everything to it. Close, but hasnt happened yet....going to do some custom work over the winter.
SFC's and ProKit is the best place to start for the money. From there go with larger swaybars.
Jason
SFC's and ProKit is the best place to start for the money. From there go with larger swaybars.
Jason
i was looking at the pro kit and i like the prices plus im going to be adding a rollbar soon (i wish i had a roof somtimes) so that should help somewhat
didnt think of subframe connectors well didnt know what they hell they did either way.........sorry yeah very newbish
didnt think of subframe connectors well didnt know what they hell they did either way.........sorry yeah very newbish
If you are going to do a rollbar, I would suggest the Wolfe. Best fitting, most functional, and best looking cage in my opinion. I have installed 5 of them, including one in each of my cars.
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If you autocross, or plan to, be carefull with SFC's. In most clubs they will bump you up into higher classes and you'll be forced to compete with more heavily modified cars.
The best gain I got BY FAR was when I installed the ST 35mm front sway bar (~$175). I also lowered it with DMS progressive rate springs (~$155) (almost ~2" drop). That helped too, of course. A panhard bar with heim joints (~$150) gets rid of some of the tail-happiness when doing quick left-right-left maneuvers. Shocks will help too. They need to be valved to match your springs for best results. I recommend Bilstein HD's(<$500). They're relatively cheap, good quality and can be revalved/rebuilt.
For under $1,000 you can handle like a Vette. Maybe a stock Vette - lol. j/k but it really doesn't take that much to make an F-body handle well, even if it's a vert. I think they have better front/rear weight balance with the top down anyway. lol
The best gain I got BY FAR was when I installed the ST 35mm front sway bar (~$175). I also lowered it with DMS progressive rate springs (~$155) (almost ~2" drop). That helped too, of course. A panhard bar with heim joints (~$150) gets rid of some of the tail-happiness when doing quick left-right-left maneuvers. Shocks will help too. They need to be valved to match your springs for best results. I recommend Bilstein HD's(<$500). They're relatively cheap, good quality and can be revalved/rebuilt.
For under $1,000 you can handle like a Vette. Maybe a stock Vette - lol. j/k but it really doesn't take that much to make an F-body handle well, even if it's a vert. I think they have better front/rear weight balance with the top down anyway. lol
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Just so that we are on the same page, "Road Racing" is not "Street Racing"
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What is the car doing that is "holding you back"? What tangible data do you have that supports this? tire pressures? tire temps?
What is your goal? AX? RR? OT? What venues will you be running?
How much experience do you have behind the wheel on a AX course or a RR track? It has been my experience that if a car is pushing really bad, it's because my right foot is too heavy and I over-cook the car going into a turn. If the tail gets happy on corner exit, again, my right foot is too heavy.
Originally Posted by sprung_monkey
ok im a newbie at suspension and have only had my car for a few months but already the suspension is holding me back and i want to upgrade some things
What is the car doing that is "holding you back"? What tangible data do you have that supports this? tire pressures? tire temps?
What is your goal? AX? RR? OT? What venues will you be running?
How much experience do you have behind the wheel on a AX course or a RR track? It has been my experience that if a car is pushing really bad, it's because my right foot is too heavy and I over-cook the car going into a turn. If the tail gets happy on corner exit, again, my right foot is too heavy.
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Verdad Gallardo honestly im a late night backroads kinda guy but i am looking into getting into some autocross racing
the things that are holding me back are the tail happy rear end and lots of roll
and yes i do have a heavy foot more like lead but i know my limits and experience basicly nil............but like i said i am a newb and i was looking for answers from the right people ie.road racing and autocross guys
also does anyone know of where i can find some local autocross races in central cali?
the things that are holding me back are the tail happy rear end and lots of roll
and yes i do have a heavy foot more like lead but i know my limits and experience basicly nil............but like i said i am a newb and i was looking for answers from the right people ie.road racing and autocross guys
also does anyone know of where i can find some local autocross races in central cali?
www.autocross.com
Find an evolution school to attend and make sure your problems aren't driver induced. If the driver sucks, an F1 suspension under your car will still roll and oversteer.
The absolute cheapest modification that can be had is education. A lot of folks have too big of an ego to admit they might be overdriving the car.
Find an evolution school to attend and make sure your problems aren't driver induced. If the driver sucks, an F1 suspension under your car will still roll and oversteer.
The absolute cheapest modification that can be had is education. A lot of folks have too big of an ego to admit they might be overdriving the car.
Last edited by mitchntx; Nov 14, 2004 at 05:52 PM.
no ego here im just asking for advice
i never said i could drive my car all that well but i do know once i get better suspension i will be able to handle it alot better than i do now but thats just a fact no ego what so ever
and thank you for the link
i never said i could drive my car all that well but i do know once i get better suspension i will be able to handle it alot better than i do now but thats just a fact no ego what so ever
and thank you for the link
Originally Posted by sprung_monkey
no ego here im just asking for advice
i never said i could drive my car all that well but i do know once i get better suspension i will be able to handle it alot better than i do now but thats just a fact no ego what so ever
and thank you for the link
i never said i could drive my car all that well but i do know once i get better suspension i will be able to handle it alot better than i do now but thats just a fact no ego what so ever
and thank you for the link
Having followed his posts on various forums for years though, I do know that he has an extreme amount of knowledge on the subject of making these cars handle, and the link he gave has some great information as well.
Good luck with the convert, keep us posted.
I've taken my convertible to both open track and autox events. You will be happiest with the following, in order:
If you are on a budget then forget about buying new springs. Cut 1/2 coil off the bottom of each front spring with an angle grinder using a cut off blade. Try replacing the rear spring isolators with hose (5/8 ID?)
1- alignment 0 toe -1.5 camber (but you might want to wait till after installs below)
2- shocks
3- weld in sub frame
4- 35 mm front bar
5- 315 tires front back
6- rod end adjustable panhard bar (required for #5)
That will be your biggest bang for the buck. Frankly, I wouldnt drop more into your car unless you wanted to switch over the trans to M6.
If you are on a budget then forget about buying new springs. Cut 1/2 coil off the bottom of each front spring with an angle grinder using a cut off blade. Try replacing the rear spring isolators with hose (5/8 ID?)
1- alignment 0 toe -1.5 camber (but you might want to wait till after installs below)
2- shocks
3- weld in sub frame
4- 35 mm front bar
5- 315 tires front back
6- rod end adjustable panhard bar (required for #5)
That will be your biggest bang for the buck. Frankly, I wouldnt drop more into your car unless you wanted to switch over the trans to M6.