any factory oil pans fit 1st gen camaro ls swap?
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Define "fit". Do you mean without modification? I think the simple answer to that is "no"
The truck pan fits but hangs way below the cross member.
The H3 pan (hot rod pan) fits but hangs below the cross member by about 1.5"
The modified F-body pan fits
If you want to go unmodified then aftermarket pan is a must. I used the Holley pan on my swap.
The truck pan fits but hangs way below the cross member.
The H3 pan (hot rod pan) fits but hangs below the cross member by about 1.5"
The modified F-body pan fits
If you want to go unmodified then aftermarket pan is a must. I used the Holley pan on my swap.
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I know you asked about stock pans , I decided on the autocraft pan for my 67 camaro. After adding the time and money I had to put into it. By the time I got done the autocraft was a much better performing pan and not much more money for me. The new holley pan was not out yet .If you already have a pan and the tools to notch it I would give it a shot, you may save a few bucks. I am all about saving a few bucks ,but I always weigh the options. Just a thought. Good luck with your build
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The stock F-body pan will usually fit if you are willing to install the engine jammed all the way back against the firewall, but that introduces a whole list of other undesirable compatibility, fitment and serviceability compromises in my opinion. If you want to install the engine a sensible and natural appearing distance from the firewall (sensible is the key word, not the 3"-4" I've seen some mounts do), then the stock F-body pan requires notching.
Hammer / H3 pan / aka GM Muscle pan is a truck pan at best and will hang too low.
Save yourself some time and get a pan that fits correctly. I had a CTS-V pan, it only hung 1" below the crossmember.. I bottomed it out and cracked it. Get one of the Swap pans. If Cast, get the Holley 302-2 or MAST pan. most of the Steel once will be ok.
You can still a un-modified F-Body pan in.. but it get really close to the steering linkage and you have to push the engine back a lot.. that will cause Firewall and Trans Tunnel fitment issues. If your going F-Body.. get S&P to notch it.
Just my opinion..
BC
Save yourself some time and get a pan that fits correctly. I had a CTS-V pan, it only hung 1" below the crossmember.. I bottomed it out and cracked it. Get one of the Swap pans. If Cast, get the Holley 302-2 or MAST pan. most of the Steel once will be ok.
You can still a un-modified F-Body pan in.. but it get really close to the steering linkage and you have to push the engine back a lot.. that will cause Firewall and Trans Tunnel fitment issues. If your going F-Body.. get S&P to notch it.
Just my opinion..
BC
Time after time I see people overlooking the modified x member. I'm using a 98-02 F-body pan in my Turbo LS 67 Firebird and all i did to resolve any clearance issues was notch the x member. Pretty easy to do and no special welding required (steel is alot easier to weld than aluminum!) and cheaper!
Just my own 2 cents worth.
Just my own 2 cents worth.
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Hammer / H3 pan / aka GM Muscle pan is a truck pan at best and will hang too low.
Save yourself some time and get a pan that fits correctly. I had a CTS-V pan, it only hung 1" below the crossmember.. I bottomed it out and cracked it. Get one of the Swap pans. If Cast, get the Holley 302-2 or MAST pan. most of the Steel once will be ok.
You can still a un-modified F-Body pan in.. but it get really close to the steering linkage and you have to push the engine back a lot.. that will cause Firewall and Trans Tunnel fitment issues. If your going F-Body.. get S&P to notch it.
Just my opinion..
BC
Save yourself some time and get a pan that fits correctly. I had a CTS-V pan, it only hung 1" below the crossmember.. I bottomed it out and cracked it. Get one of the Swap pans. If Cast, get the Holley 302-2 or MAST pan. most of the Steel once will be ok.
You can still a un-modified F-Body pan in.. but it get really close to the steering linkage and you have to push the engine back a lot.. that will cause Firewall and Trans Tunnel fitment issues. If your going F-Body.. get S&P to notch it.
Just my opinion..
BC
Good advice...S&P notched my f body pan...nice work. My swap already had the H3 pan in it and the stock fbody pan hit the crossmember so.....I notched the pan.
The Hummer H3 is based on the GMT-3xx series (small/mid size truck platform). GMT=General Motor Truck... therefore Hummer H3 is a Truck by all means..
Being 7.5" deep in the rear sump. It is not very well suited to many of these Pro Turing, lowered type of Swap many are doing. Even for standard height suspension swap.. it is very questionable for being safe as far as ground clearance. When I cracked my CTS-V pan (6.75" deep) and ended up on the flatbed.. I bottomed out just getting on the freeway ramp.. which leads me to have an opinion on pans that hang below the cross member.
BC
Being 7.5" deep in the rear sump. It is not very well suited to many of these Pro Turing, lowered type of Swap many are doing. Even for standard height suspension swap.. it is very questionable for being safe as far as ground clearance. When I cracked my CTS-V pan (6.75" deep) and ended up on the flatbed.. I bottomed out just getting on the freeway ramp.. which leads me to have an opinion on pans that hang below the cross member.
BC
Time after time I see people overlooking the modified x member. I'm using a 98-02 F-body pan in my Turbo LS 67 Firebird and all i did to resolve any clearance issues was notch the x member. Pretty easy to do and no special welding required (steel is alot easier to weld than aluminum!) and cheaper!
Just my own 2 cents worth.
Just my own 2 cents worth.
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The muscle car pan is a no-no. If you bottom out and hit it, you could ruin the engine if you aren't watching your oil pressure.
The Holley 302-2 pan is $350 from Jegs or Summit. Steep price, but it clears everything, doesn't require any notching, and doesn't hang below the subframe.
The Holley 302-2 pan is $350 from Jegs or Summit. Steep price, but it clears everything, doesn't require any notching, and doesn't hang below the subframe.
This would be the first I've heard of this problem with the steering linkage (1st gen here though), if I run into it in my swap I'll clearance the drag link or use a different one. I just prefer modifying steel versus aluminum unless I have no other choice. Worse case I slot my engine mounts to clear any linkage. I do all my own fab work/welding so I can't justify hacking up a stock pan or coughing up $500 for a F'n oil pan.
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Ive got about 50K miles with my Hummer pan, have hit a couple times until i put big block springs up front. But i want to lower the car but cant.
Get the Holley pan if stock front ride height is too high for you.
Get the Holley pan if stock front ride height is too high for you.
Was ging to ask the same question, that being the 1stgen fbody is a rear steer.. the fbody pan has a very long ( front to rear) lower sump that generally caused problem in the past with the sterring linkages. And this being with the engine mount as rear as posible.
Notching the crossmember on the 1st gen will help lower the engine. But doen't help with the linkage. It will help on a front steer car... Abody or 2nd gen fbody.
let us know what you notch looks like and whatyou did for the steering linkage.
BC
Notching the crossmember on the 1st gen will help lower the engine. But doen't help with the linkage. It will help on a front steer car... Abody or 2nd gen fbody.
let us know what you notch looks like and whatyou did for the steering linkage.
BC
Was ging to ask the same question, that being the 1stgen fbody is a rear steer.. the fbody pan has a very long ( front to rear) lower sump that generally caused problem in the past with the sterring linkages. And this being with the engine mount as rear as posible.
Notching the crossmember on the 1st gen will help lower the engine. But doen't help with the linkage. It will help on a front steer car... Abody or 2nd gen fbody.
let us know what you notch looks like and whatyou did for the steering linkage.
BC
Notching the crossmember on the 1st gen will help lower the engine. But doen't help with the linkage. It will help on a front steer car... Abody or 2nd gen fbody.
let us know what you notch looks like and whatyou did for the steering linkage.
BC
Here's my frame notch, we are mocking the LS3/6speed up soon, when I get to the steering issues if any come up, I'll post up what I do to remedy it.
EDIT, I remember why I wont have issues, I'm doing 3rd gen F-body steering which uses a longer pitman arm. Sorry, so much going on with the car I forget what the hell is going on sometimes haha!
Last edited by 91FormulaKiller; May 28, 2014 at 08:01 AM.
The Fbody pan does fit as it is what I am using. The engine will have to go back close to the firewall. But it does work and it will hit when going full look on turns only.
CTSV pan works also and does hang less than an inch. I posted pics on one of my threads. Here's how you ensure a pan that hangs will not get hit. If I used the V pan, I was going to get a thick piece of angle iron and weld it to the bottom of the crossmember. Just let it hang enough to hit the metal and not the pan. I'd rather it hit the angle iron than my pan.
CTSV pan works also and does hang less than an inch. I posted pics on one of my threads. Here's how you ensure a pan that hangs will not get hit. If I used the V pan, I was going to get a thick piece of angle iron and weld it to the bottom of the crossmember. Just let it hang enough to hit the metal and not the pan. I'd rather it hit the angle iron than my pan.
Here's my frame notch, we are mocking the LS3/6speed up soon, when I get to the steering issues if any come up, I'll post up what I do to remedy it.
EDIT, I remember why I wont have issues, I'm doing 3rd gen steering which uses a longer pitman arm. Sorry, so much going on with the car I forget what the hell is going on sometimes haha!
EDIT, I remember why I wont have issues, I'm doing 3rd gen steering which uses a longer pitman arm. Sorry, so much going on with the car I forget what the hell is going on sometimes haha!