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Old 03-27-2009, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 01SOMZ28
2 bolt main? wont that be a weak link.
no, 2 bolt 400 blocks are stronger than the 4 bolts.. not to mention a splayed 4 bolt main he has

i was going to go with a similar setup with my 400 block, but i think im going to make it rather mild (450hp) because im afraid of cracking the block
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Whats the runner volume on the heads???
Old 03-31-2009, 11:36 AM
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The block wil have issues befor the bottom end . I have run these blocks for 20 years and the splayed caps are stronger than the wall to head bolt area. I hope you half filled it . i say 610 on motor 717 on the dope

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Originally Posted by moge11
Whats the runner volume on the heads???
230cc
Old 04-08-2009, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by pmbmax
The block wil have issues befor the bottom end . I have run these blocks for 20 years and the splayed caps are stronger than the wall to head bolt area. I hope you half filled it . i say 610 on motor 717 on the dope
yea a lot of people i talk to all have the same misconception. they all call the 400s pieces of ****. mostly because they never built it right in the first place. and didnt think they needed steam holes in the block and head deck surfaces to run a 12.5:1 comp 406 as a daily driver in summer traffic. then clearance as another factor. most only buy the parts and install but never checking bearing clearances or proper ring gap.
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Originally Posted by ex-SS-ve
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LMFAO!!!! NO.......What are they NOW???!!! AT LEAST 245cc....To flow 345cfm, They GOT SOME VOLUME.
Old 04-09-2009, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by moge11
LMFAO!!!! NO.......What are they NOW???!!! AT LEAST 245cc....To flow 345cfm, They GOT SOME VOLUME.
ill look at the flow sheet that my builder has.motors not too far off from being installed. just had a few small changes that i made .
Old 04-09-2009, 02:15 PM
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Def would've gone with at least a 4 bolt main if not an aftermarket block. Seems like you went ***** to the walls on the rest of the car...why not the block? Splayed is great but 4 bolt main is better than 2!

Um...613rwhp on motor, 865rwhp on the 250hp shot.

I have a similar setup myself...388ci, little less duration/lift/cfm/compression, but I'm adding a 300hp shot...also running through a th400+dana 60+engine driven fan so I should be robbed of a few more rwhp than you .
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Originally Posted by h0t
Def would've gone with at least a 4 bolt main if not an aftermarket block. Seems like you went ***** to the walls on the rest of the car...why not the block? Splayed is great but 4 bolt main is better than 2!

Um...613rwhp on motor, 865rwhp on the 250hp shot.

I have a similar setup myself...388ci, little less duration/lift/cfm/compression, but I'm adding a 300hp shot...also running through a th400+dana 60+engine driven fan so I should be robbed of a few more rwhp than you .
a splayed two bolt block has the original two bolts plus two extra bolts at an angle, so how in the world is a 4 bolt better than a splayed 2 bolt??? it only makes sense that two straight and two angled bolts would be far harder to break than 4 straight bolts are to stretch. just a simple matter of fact.
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Originally Posted by h0t
Def would've gone with at least a 4 bolt main if not an aftermarket block. Seems like you went ***** to the walls on the rest of the car...why not the block? Splayed is great but 4 bolt main is better than 2!

Um...613rwhp on motor, 865rwhp on the 250hp shot.

I have a similar setup myself...388ci, little less duration/lift/cfm/compression, but I'm adding a 300hp shot...also running through a th400+dana 60+engine driven fan so I should be robbed of a few more rwhp than you .
lol what?

you would have to be stupid to use a 4 bolt main 400SBC in a high rpm/horsepower car, UNLESS it is an aftermarket block with splayed 4 bolt main caps..
Old 04-23-2009, 10:06 PM
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So what did it put down? You cant start a thread like this and then let it die
Old 04-27-2009, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by slow95z
a splayed two bolt block has the original two bolts plus two extra bolts at an angle, so how in the world is a 4 bolt better than a splayed 2 bolt??? it only makes sense that two straight and two angled bolts would be far harder to break than 4 straight bolts are to stretch. just a simple matter of fact.
Obviously splayed is better...but a splayed 4 bolt is better than a splayed 2 bolt, just like a regular 4 bolt is better than a regular 2 bolt. Why would you compare a splayed 2 bolt to a regular 4 bolt?
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Originally Posted by slvr98camaro
lol what?

you would have to be stupid to use a 4 bolt main 400SBC in a high rpm/horsepower car, UNLESS it is an aftermarket block with splayed 4 bolt main caps..
Again...for the money he's all ready spent on this motor...why would you assume I WOULDN'T be recommending an aftermarket 4 bolt? I'm sure he knows what he's doing and that the splayed 2 bolt will be fine but if I had the money the first thing I would get is a beastly block that way no matter what I threw at it that's one thing I wouldn't have to worry about.

Still wondering how much power it made...
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Originally Posted by h0t
Obviously splayed is better...but a splayed 4 bolt is better than a splayed 2 bolt, just like a regular 4 bolt is better than a regular 2 bolt. Why would you compare a splayed 2 bolt to a regular 4 bolt?
You dont know what YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT! 4-bolt 400ci's have the inner bolts too close to the outer bolts due the 2.65" mains vs. the 350ci's 2.45" mains....This makes the main webbing very weak...A 2-bolt 400ci IS STRONGER THAN A 4-bolt 400ci in EVERY WAY!

A 2-bolt converted is ALSO STRONGER!..ALSO DUE TO NOT HAVING THE EXTRA HOLES!....

....Dont argue if u dont know....
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il go with 704 at 6800 since i have a very similar motor sitting in the corner waiting for me to get off my *** and put it in
Old 05-10-2009, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by boogeyman
il go with 704 at 6800 since i have a very similar motor sitting in the corner waiting for me to get off my *** and put it in
not at the wheels....
Old 05-11-2009, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by moge11
LMFAO!!!! NO.......What are they NOW???!!! AT LEAST 245cc....To flow 345cfm, They GOT SOME VOLUME.
the heads were cc'd the combustion chambers were at 58cc the intake runners at 248cc. still have more material left to port into by far these heads have absolutely flowed awesome. the motor was dynoed friday night it made 773fwhp & 741 fwtq. that was with a tuned 895 cfm barry grant street demon on 116 octane with 82h jets at 28 degrees of timing spinning the motor to 6500 rpm. im going to change out the bg street demon for a 1095 cfm king demon rs, change plugs up the timing to about 32 degrees and fog a 250 hit of n20 into it and pull it up to about 7500-8k rpm and see what it makes this coming weekend
Old 05-11-2009, 04:32 PM
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Affirmative! The 4 bolt block is weaker than its 2 bolt cousin. We learned that one first hand back in the 70's.
Old 05-12-2009, 04:32 PM
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wow 773 and 741, bad ***! Cant wait to see the rest of the numbers!
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Originally Posted by SPLATT
wow 773 and 741, bad ***! Cant wait to see the rest of the numbers!
yea im pretty happy with power output vs the money i have in this build. even worst case at 15% drivetrain loss itll be cranking out 659 rwhp on motor. in a 2700 lb car that is a very brutal ride with traction.


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