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Small problems with 402 conversion

Old Jul 6, 2015 | 05:53 PM
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My project for the last year has been putting a 402 (bored 396 not an actual 402) in my 1983 1/2 pickup. I thought I might have problems going from the old diesel to gas but it hasn't been that bad. I've bored the block, ported the factory heads, and bought a cam and a new hei distributor. But I can't get it to fire. Is the something I may be forgetting? Also it has an inline pump and regulator and it's at 2.5 psi does that need to change? I believe the wires from ignition to starter are correct. And the cam I put in it is a summit brand sum-1797
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Old Jul 6, 2015 | 06:33 PM
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Does it crank? Are you getting fuel flow? Always verify the basics...spark, fuel and a full 12v at the HEI.

2.5psi is low for a carb. Which carb are you using?
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Old Jul 8, 2015 | 01:23 PM
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Does it crank? Are you getting fuel flow? Always verify the basics...spark, fuel and a full 12v at the HEI.

2.5psi is low for a carb. Which carb are you using?
It turns over I have spark I have the 12 volt wire on the hei and I can turn up regulator but it moves a ton of fuel at 2.5. It need to be between 5-6 psi correct? And it's a 750 Carter I believe
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Old Jul 8, 2015 | 09:04 PM
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Did you verify that #1 cylinder is firing on the compression stroke? Remember, there are 2 TDC events...compression and exhaust. You might have the distributor 180 degrees off.
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Old Jul 9, 2015 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by pancherj
Did you verify that #1 cylinder is firing on the compression stroke? Remember, there are 2 TDC events...compression and exhaust. You might have the distributor 180 degrees off.
I believe so unless someone else (I have a lot of dumb friends that hang out in my shop) but while assembling this motor some time ago I made sure everything was right and it was months after that before I got the hei distributor and just set it in assuming it was how I left it
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Old Jul 9, 2015 | 12:35 PM
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A common mistake is that when people put a cam in dot to dot they leave it there and stab the dist in the #1 position. that is wrong, dot to dot is on the #6 firing position BDC or also called "180 out". do as above stated and pull the #1 spark plug and put you finger over the spark plug hole and bump the motor over with the starter, it will blow air out the hole. then by hand turn the motor to TDC (#1 firing position). Pull your dist cap off and see where the rotor is at
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Old Jul 10, 2015 | 07:25 PM
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A common mistake is that when people put a cam in dot to dot they leave it there and stab the dist in the #1 position. that is wrong, dot to dot is on the #6 firing position BDC or also called "180 out". do as above stated and pull the #1 spark plug and put you finger over the spark plug hole and bump the motor over with the starter, it will blow air out the hole. then by hand turn the motor to TDC (#1 firing position). Pull your dist cap off and see where the rotor is at
It seems like right around 10-12°advanced it is really close to firing but then back fires hard. Would that be the case is I was 180 off?
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It seems like right around 10-12°advanced it is really close to firing but then back fires hard. Would that be the case is I was 180 off?
Yep. I think he hit the nail on the head. Plus it's easy enough to to re stab the dizzy.
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Old Jul 22, 2015 | 06:32 PM
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Yep. I think he hit the nail on the head. Plus it's easy enough to to re stab the dizzy.
You guys were 100% right I was 180 off. But now I'm even more confused. It turns over faster than **** and it actually sounds like it's running but when you let go of the key it's still dead. Not sure what to do its so close but won't run
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Originally Posted by v8sten
A common mistake is that when people put a cam in dot to dot they leave it there and stab the dist in the #1 position. that is wrong, dot to dot is on the #6 firing position BDC or also called "180 out". do as above stated and pull the #1 spark plug and put you finger over the spark plug hole and bump the motor over with the starter, it will blow air out the hole. then by hand turn the motor to TDC (#1 firing position). Pull your dist cap off and see where the rotor is at
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Yep. I think he hit the nail on the head. Plus it's easy enough to to re stab the dizzy.
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So it's timed now and I had a friend with a 460 who's carburetor took a ****. So I said screw it throw on the Carter I had on the 402. Turns out it would not push fuel through and it wouldn't run. So I took it apart and cleaned it and threw it back on, and wahla boom runaway 460 on the first crank so screw this junk carb I'm finding a new. It was also like a 750cfm what should I be running on this mildly built 402?
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750 Holley Double Pumper
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Old Dec 9, 2015 | 10:00 AM
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Last that I looked, Holley was recommending double pumper carbs for lighter vehicles like Camaros, Mustangs, etc. For full size cars or heavier vehicles they recommend going with a single accelerator pump carb. That distinction was somewhere in their catalog along with a short explanation of why.
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My experience has been that the double pumper is better...always. The bigger the engine (or more radical the cam) the better the double pumper will be. The single shot just can't make up for the secondaries opening. The only way to overcome it is to slow the opening of the secondaries and live with less performance.
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