thought it had something to do with technical knowledge. r and d.

and stealth, arent there a bunch of BBC sites for you to go on? i mean in the real world of heads up racing, this site is a newbie rookie site.

lastly, have you run a 6 second pass? because i thought your best was 7.3

 

This site is clearly intended for LT and LS street car owners of all types, and I agree that the vast majority of these are beginner racers. You can't over emphasize the fact that everyone here owns a LT or LS "street car" that should not be confused with race cars like my Firebird.

I have owned LS cars for over four years and still own a '99 SS, so I have a continuing interest in posting here on various LS and BBC topics.

My Firebird is very different from the other cars here, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't be allowed to exchange information with other BBC guys. We could run 6.90s anytime we want to, but the car is only insured at 7.00 and slower, so I have chosen to limit it to low 7 sec ETs.

I have always said that bragging was a big part of racing and this site. If not, why does everyone have a signature and post photos, videos and performance numbers? Seems obvious.

 

fair enough. but be warned you will get flamed for the 'beginer racer" comment. just because you run a prostock type chasis and big motor doesnt mean you are any better. anyone can throw the wallet at a chasis door slammer and stick their noses at the real factory door slammers.

 

Well, I've raced since 1966, and I believe that someone who buys a 2002 Camaro and starts racing can objectively be described as a beginner. Hell, veteran Quick 16 and T/S racers call me a beginner but I don't get mad or flame them because they're right.

I own a factory door slammer and a T/S door slammer. I am not better and not thumbing my nose at anyone here, but I am well suited to discuss the differences between these cars. LT and LS cars are street cars, not race cars.

Objectively, I have to disagree with you that anyone can throw their money at a chassis door slammer. Such racing is very expensive and beyond the resources of most racers.

 

hey gator..............

are you actually getting offended by our desire to progress from beginners to wherever we are all going to turn into? i mean, we all start somewhere, and only get better as we practice and learn. i have never spoken to Bickel' before, but he is one of the prime examples of why i would like this forum to begin. is there other sites with BBC/SBC info on them? of course. but i have found no other site that has the information to make them fit into 4th gen specific f-bodies. with that being said, why not make the connection and have one easy place to go and get/share that info with others who are making that conversion or are at the very least, entertaining the idea? that info may be the deciding factor for those interested, to either do it, or decide it's not for them. after all, we are not asking for a forum to put a BBC/SBC in a Chevelle, or a '55 Chevy or anything. more than just a LS1 forum, this is an f-body forum just as much. how about the LS2's? should we tell them to go somewhere else?

moving on, i myself, and i believe Bickel' are not looking to get you going. it's great that you are posting your opinion. but there are others who can greatly benefit from this info, and if you're not interested in the least........how can it affect you in any negative way? do you see what i'm saying? i would just like to see this forum added to make this great site to visit, more appealing to myself, and others, and maybe draw in some new members as well as sponsors. there's more than just engine tech to be shared to get these motors in our cars. quick example: do i need to reroute brake lines? what about the cowl area? should i rewire my car? what about clearance issues, averywhere? suspension changes? cooling needs? etc. there will be a lot of discussion among those interested and in the process of doing this swap. i just think this forum would be nice.

thanks,
Dave

 

I too have investigated installing a BBC in a 2001 Camaro, which is when I discovered that Lemon's Headers has already solved the header fitup problems, and Reher Morrison can direct you to Texas shops that have installed many BBC in LT and LS cars.

1. You will have to use Accel or FAST.
2. The GM PCM can still handle the lights, etc.
3. You will have cowl and firewall clearance issues.
4. The motor will fit in the stock location w/o cutting the wheel wells.

 

hey Bickel'........

i have already looked into Lemon's myself, and yup, they have them. i will be using an Accell DFI gen 7, sequential setup. also, i just spoke to Painless friday, and i have decided to run their 18 circuit setup and just be done with it so i can get rid of all that wiring in the car now. i'm not sure what to expect with a tall deck small block as far as firewall issues, but i already know about the cowl. and as far as fitment between the fenderwells, yea, i have that figured out too now. however, it took me a while to aquire that info, lot's of searches and bs pm'ing of people who never responded.
now, how about a couple pics of your car, since this thread has been answered and we have apparently taken over.........sorry PSJohn.

later,
Dave

 

I thought you were installing a BBC?

You can find this past year's photos of our T/S Firebird at holllowayracing.com, but we have changed motors and lots of other things.

I have not posted any pics of my '99 SS.

 

not any more. i was dead set on it, but this motor came along and at the right price. so, i am going the big inch turbo sbc way. should still be quite exciting. great looking car btw. i can only dream of having the knowledge and cash to do a setup like that, not to mention the time to really compete.

later,
Dave

 

firebird it looks like were back in business after the seven second thread was closed. you definitely have the fastest car at this site even thogh its not a ls1. maybe we can establish a bbc forum afteral

 

It's good to see that you are still visiting this site. We need all the bbc input we can get make a favorable impression on the owners. Adding bbc stuff can only make this site more successful.

 

i wasnt really pushing the BBC in a 4th gen car away. in fact, i honestly think it is pretty cool as a hybrid type setup. it could only help out the slowly dieing fbody race circuit.

what i meant, was it doesnt take a genuis to have jerry put together a chasis and motor combo. now to run fast, that takes an enormous amount of time, setup, patience, and ofcourse cash. when i said anyone with enough wallet can put one together, i just meant if the pockets were deep enough. it is all about cubic dollars.

 

No problem. We bought the roller from Bickel asnd the motor from Reher Morrison, but dream chaser racing engines in Amarillo has recently rebuilt the engine after we broke a rod, piston and block on 9/11.

Buying the right parts takes money and assembly and making them work takes a lot of time and experience.

Putting a bbc in a late model F-body makes a lot of sense to me. You get a lot of reliable and inexpensive hp for relatively little money.

 

when did microsoft start making standalone computer systems for camaros?

 

hahahaha..........i just caught that, Excel.....LOL. i'm sure he meant Accell!!! too funny.

Dave

 

Yea, I obviously meant Accel but must have typed Excel from habit or old age or whatever. I use Excel everyday but I have not owned or used Accel, yet. It's good to know the BBC Club is looking after its members.

 

i have a accell system and i knew what you meant. i've got your back

 

Amen... we used a 10.5:1 streetable BBC, put EFI, and topped it off with a little nitrous a voila heres yourself a nice mid 8 second car, and drive that focker to the store and get more beer.

BTW the headers were Hooker Comps part # 2455, with a little messaging she'll do fine. Get with MADMAN to get yourself a motor plate and a manual rack.... Oh yeah while your at it ya better order a torque arm too, because that big block is going to make NASTY torque.....

 

www.holllowayracing.com doesnt work

 

worked for me, try again or type it in manually rather than linking it? might work.

Dave