*was* one hell of a driver

 

This thread now officially sucks

 

yea my question was about whether or not these cars truly exist and why they could possibly exist.

 

Yes they do exist and They were built intentionally I heard from two GM guys at the AETC or advanced Engineering Technology Confrence that Camaros got a 385 hp motor set up as get this a JOKE on firebirds. Gm has been doing this for years they did it to some Grand Prix's in the early 01 02's some of the GPs got "better" heads and superchargers and made a lil more power
well that was straight from Will Handzel's mouth so take it or leave it
that the reason some dyno so well eg. 310-320 rwhp

 

This thread got side tracked for a bit huh?

 

You know why this is a load of BS is because the EPA has to certify a cars pollution controls and mpg. On top of that if they started making those so called "JOKE" changes all it would take is a car going to a state that has emissions testing and have a factory stock car fail and it would be a huge fine for GM.. Not to mention what would the part numbers be on these "JOKE" better heads? No to mention where would they get these parts from? There are cars that dyno better than others because of various factors, but dyno's themselves vary wildly........

 

Does the EPA test every car?

 

No they dont but once they test a model line up and certify it any changes require a recertification.. But states with emission testing do test every car and if a car fails but is in stock trim there is a problem...

 

It seems to me like these cars could exist. Really good driver and some traction and it's possible to pull a high twelve out of some of stock ls1 f-bodies. Now, on the same token, some of them have trouble pulling mid 13s in stock form, so take it as it is.

 

I read a story on here that a guy bought an LS1 Camaro and when he went to pull the heads off it had LS6 heads on it. What was also mentioned that this was because of of the facroty running out of the heads on the LS1s and they just used the LS6's. Im not exzactly sure but I remember reading it a couple months ago.

 

That makes sense... As a design engineer for whirlpool (and i know whirlpool isn't gm....lol), when a model is released every part on that unit has to meet a certain specification, if this spec. can't be met you end up with a deviation that causes a big head ach for everyone. The only way i see GM putting heads other than whats spec'd for the ls1 in the camaro is if for some reason the ls1 heads couldn't be used for whatever reason, and some sort of deviation from spec. took place.... Which very well could have happened.

 

The Dave Hamburger story is about an LT1. No LT1 will hit the 12's from the factory.

I know of a couple people that did hit the 12's in a LS1 though.

 

That's about all it is...a story.

There was no shortage of heads or engines. The engines carried over until '04. They all had 241 heads.

 

people tell me i got one. my 2002 Z28 m6 put down 325.6rwhp/339.9rwtq and i ran 12.97@111.08 with everything bone stock. no aftermarket parts not even a different air filter. the only explanation i can think of is maybe some cars could have small casting flaws in the heads that cause a couple more hp... but nothing major

 

there where alot of lt1 freaks...seen a few f bodies that had 4-bolt mains from the factory. Actually 93 had more freaks than any. pink rods and hardened push-rods and slightly bigger cams...

 

My CE put down 333hp and 351ftlbs tq when I dynoed it completely stock down to the paper air filter. The only thing I did the day before was change the oil (full synthetic Mobil 1) and add a bottle of that octane booster to the 93 octane gas(not sure if that did anything, though) The outside air temp was in the 40's. It was a Mustang dyno and the figures were corrected.

But for my car to put down 333hp at the wheels where another LS1 before me put down 335 and had a lid, filter and exhaust makes me wonder.

 

ok so your theory of emissions is if the car fails only what if the 385 hp motors passed then there would be no questions or any doubt why were vettes rated so much higher that f-bodies answer to sell more vettes so why couldnt a f-body get the same "set-up" as a vette or possibly a different and the heads were swapped on GRAND PRIXS not f-bodys oh and they did run out of ls1 parts why do you think some f-bodies have ls6 blocks if you doubt me pm me and ill give you Will's personal e-mail my self and you can ask him im not trying to start stuff I was just shocked that GM did this.

 

agreed...

 

I would think that they would have to tune the camaro computor to run the different hardware. I dont see those guys doing any tuning on the line.

 

the computer really only controls the fuel and air ratio's not much else. if it noticed more air coming in it would just compensate and add more fuel. atleast thats what i would hypothesize. i think a lot may have to do with the M6 cars. we have 2 97 SS's. our black one had shorty headers, CAi, and maybe one or two other bolt ons and is an A4. However, our 97 30th Anniv SS is an M6 and just lays the smack down when they run each other. The SS is bone stock to the filter.