"factory freaks"? Someone explain.
01-06-2009, 03:25 PM
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the computer really only controls the fuel and air ratio's not much else. if it noticed more air coming in it would just compensate and add more fuel. atleast thats what i would hypothesize. i think a lot may have to do with the M6 cars. we have 2 97 SS's. our black one had shorty headers, CAi, and maybe one or two other bolt ons and is an A4. However, our 97 30th Anniv SS is an M6 and just lays the smack down when they run each other. The SS is bone stock to the filter.
01-06-2009, 05:33 PM
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Factory freak does not mean that there were different parts "accidentally" installed. There are manufacturing tolerances that can and do happen, as well as assembly procedures varying slightly from car to car. Also, the way the car was driven while new can have an impact on how it performs.
Let's face it, although the cars SHOULD be very comparable in actual performance, if you were to purchase 5 new F bods back in 02, 01, etc, and put them all on the dyno, and run them at the strip, some will be faster than others. It's just reality.
With all that said, my definition of a factory freak is one that performs better than the average car but they will have the same factory installed parts.
Having a superb driver coupled with a good running car can make it tick off some great times, making it seem even more "freakish".
I hadn't had my car but a month or two when I took it to the track on street tires and it layed down multiple 13.0 at 108.xx with sub-par 2.xx 60fts. After those passes I got it in the 12.9s at nearly 109 mph....108.96 to be exact, with only a 2.050 short time. The car layed down 321 rwhp/331rwtq later that summer with only an SLP lid.
I know for a fact I have driven some other m6 f bods that didn't have what it takes to run 12s stock or nearly stock, even if I drove them the same as I did my own.
Let's face it, although the cars SHOULD be very comparable in actual performance, if you were to purchase 5 new F bods back in 02, 01, etc, and put them all on the dyno, and run them at the strip, some will be faster than others. It's just reality.
With all that said, my definition of a factory freak is one that performs better than the average car but they will have the same factory installed parts.
Having a superb driver coupled with a good running car can make it tick off some great times, making it seem even more "freakish".
I hadn't had my car but a month or two when I took it to the track on street tires and it layed down multiple 13.0 at 108.xx with sub-par 2.xx 60fts. After those passes I got it in the 12.9s at nearly 109 mph....108.96 to be exact, with only a 2.050 short time. The car layed down 321 rwhp/331rwtq later that summer with only an SLP lid.
I know for a fact I have driven some other m6 f bods that didn't have what it takes to run 12s stock or nearly stock, even if I drove them the same as I did my own.
01-06-2009, 10:21 PM
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01-07-2009, 11:47 AM
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ok so your theory of emissions is if the car fails only what if the 385 hp motors passed then there would be no questions or any doubt why were vettes rated so much higher that f-bodies answer to sell more vettes so why couldnt a f-body get the same "set-up" as a vette or possibly a different and the heads were swapped on GRAND PRIXS not f-bodys oh and they did run out of ls1 parts why do you think some f-bodies have ls6 blocks if you doubt me pm me and ill give you Will's personal e-mail my self and you can ask him im not trying to start stuff I was just shocked that GM did this.
01-13-2009, 02:48 PM
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It is proven that tighter built motors make better power with the same parts. Chrysler had a division in the late 60's that put out a memo to all machinists saying if they ever came across a dead nuts perfect part they should set it aside for the special edition models that came with factory blueprinted motors. I can find my source if needed.
01-13-2009, 03:00 PM
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im not sure why all you guys are talking about emissions testing and so on and so fourth when most obd2 cars just get a plug in test to begin with.
i find it kind of hard pressed to think people put higher hp parts into cars, esp camaros only. How would they pick the cars? whats done diffrent to them?
Like said i just think its tolerences and what not that make them run diffrent, and if you didnt buy the car brand new the maintance/ way it was driven would have a big effect on how good it runs.
I Dont think my ws6 is a freak to say, but it definatly has more guts then some other lt1 and even ls1s around here with more/same mods. Idk why, and i dont really care since how many of you really plan on keeping your car stock
i find it kind of hard pressed to think people put higher hp parts into cars, esp camaros only. How would they pick the cars? whats done diffrent to them?
Like said i just think its tolerences and what not that make them run diffrent, and if you didnt buy the car brand new the maintance/ way it was driven would have a big effect on how good it runs.
I Dont think my ws6 is a freak to say, but it definatly has more guts then some other lt1 and even ls1s around here with more/same mods. Idk why, and i dont really care since how many of you really plan on keeping your car stock
02-08-2009, 09:00 AM
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My 02 M6 SS has the SLP 345HP package with the Blackwing lid and dual/dual cat back. It dynoed 327hp on a Dynojet. I've been 12.98 on street tires and 12.69 on MT DR's with no other mods.
02-13-2009, 07:26 PM
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Almost all the car's that run 12's stock are M6 car's. My 02 SS A4 345HP w/a P&P TB and a Hypertech Hand Tuner ran a 12.87@107 1.96 60ft on M/T ET Street's so i guess that's not bad for a A4 but i would'nt call it a factory freak.
02-13-2009, 09:29 PM
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in my lid/full exhaust '02 m6 I did 12.7@112.87 with a 2.1 60' (bald *** tires)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMwSsOSEH9I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMwSsOSEH9I
02-14-2009, 08:07 AM
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