Rarest of the Rare???
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Rarest of the Rare??? Isn't this what a forum board is for? Discussion, debate, braggin', opinions? Go to any thread on this forum board and you will see folks discussing not only their cars but the advantage of one mod vs. another one. As long as it is done in adult manner...........what is wrong with that? I see absolutely no reason why this thread should be locked. 
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i dont know if im bringing this one back from the dead but! The rearest one ive ever seen is a 2002 phase 4 zl1 camaro. Supposedly the only phase 4 ever made. One of my good friends dad owns it. ill try to get a little more info. I know that its a solid roller 427 that put down somewhere around 730rwhp!
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Off the top of my head... these are some of the more desirable (stand out from the crowd of common paint colors) rare 4th gens...
-There's one '98 Mystic Teal SS, and it's a convertible. Last time I saw pics of it, it had one of those weird Mustang-like fake roll bars on it.
-There's one '00 Hugger Orange Camaro, that is supposedly a convertible, but I've never seen proof and don't know if it is a Z28, SS, or regular Camaro.
-There's two '97 1LE Bright Purple Metallic Z28s.
-There's five Sport Gold Metallic '99 Camaros (I don't remember if they were Z28s, but I don't think they were) that were part of a Days Inn hotel contest. *Supposedly* one of these was totalled.
In my opinion, these will be some of the most desirable and collectible factory-rare 4th gen Camaros in the future. The Berger, GMMG (ZL1/Dick Harrell), etc. will likely retain more value than these because they are specially modified cars. I can hardly see how if the '00 Hugger Orange is a V6 Camaro, how that would possibly make someone want to pay 6 figures for it.
The 4th gens that got more magazine press will always be worth the most, and as far as 4th gens go, that's an area dominated by GMMG modified ones. The more exclusive and different looking it is, the more it'll retain its value.
-There's one '98 Mystic Teal SS, and it's a convertible. Last time I saw pics of it, it had one of those weird Mustang-like fake roll bars on it.
-There's one '00 Hugger Orange Camaro, that is supposedly a convertible, but I've never seen proof and don't know if it is a Z28, SS, or regular Camaro.
-There's two '97 1LE Bright Purple Metallic Z28s.
-There's five Sport Gold Metallic '99 Camaros (I don't remember if they were Z28s, but I don't think they were) that were part of a Days Inn hotel contest. *Supposedly* one of these was totalled.
In my opinion, these will be some of the most desirable and collectible factory-rare 4th gen Camaros in the future. The Berger, GMMG (ZL1/Dick Harrell), etc. will likely retain more value than these because they are specially modified cars. I can hardly see how if the '00 Hugger Orange is a V6 Camaro, how that would possibly make someone want to pay 6 figures for it.
The 4th gens that got more magazine press will always be worth the most, and as far as 4th gens go, that's an area dominated by GMMG modified ones. The more exclusive and different looking it is, the more it'll retain its value.
I tend to agree that "rare" the color option does not make.
Other than the 1 of 1 '68 Z28 'vert for Pete Estes, there were a few other 1 of a hand full cars built by the hand of GM and not a dealer creation not mentioned:
The 1 '99 "Reverse 30th" WS6 'vert (built for the Century 21 Promo, the other was a clone)
The 2 '98 Formula WS6 'verts (both red, one was white top / 6M, the other black top / A4).
Other than the 1 of 1 '68 Z28 'vert for Pete Estes, there were a few other 1 of a hand full cars built by the hand of GM and not a dealer creation not mentioned:
The 1 '99 "Reverse 30th" WS6 'vert (built for the Century 21 Promo, the other was a clone)
The 2 '98 Formula WS6 'verts (both red, one was white top / 6M, the other black top / A4).
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The rule of thumb would be (for 4th gen Camaros, because I don't know Firebirds at all or any other generations of Camaros): Unless it's a GMMG special edition, Callaway, or something else really legitimate and categorized, there's no honest way to break down anything factory further than 1 category except:
-1LEs of a certain color were tracked, along with what transmission. Ex: 10 1LE Camaros were white in 1999, 3 of which were automatics. So you could say you have one of the 3 white, automatic, 1LE Camaros for 1999 if you have one.
-B4C police Camaros were tracked the same way as 1LEs.
-SS were tracked the same way as above. If you contact SLP you can even find out what your SS number was. If you have a 30th anniversary or 35th anniversary Camaro, the mods on the forum of www.35thle.com can tell you your 30th or 35th number along with your SS number based on your VIN.
-Y3F sport appearance package (various years when RS was not an option--ex:1998) you can find out how many were in your color, but cannot break down further than that.
If you want to know how many Bright Green Metallic 1997 Z28s were made with dark gray leather with a manual transmission you are absolutely out of luck, because 1) GM either didn't track it or 2) they don't release the information to the public and you'd have to contact them with your VIN # if you wanted to get anywhere.
-1LEs of a certain color were tracked, along with what transmission. Ex: 10 1LE Camaros were white in 1999, 3 of which were automatics. So you could say you have one of the 3 white, automatic, 1LE Camaros for 1999 if you have one.
-B4C police Camaros were tracked the same way as 1LEs.
-SS were tracked the same way as above. If you contact SLP you can even find out what your SS number was. If you have a 30th anniversary or 35th anniversary Camaro, the mods on the forum of www.35thle.com can tell you your 30th or 35th number along with your SS number based on your VIN.
-Y3F sport appearance package (various years when RS was not an option--ex:1998) you can find out how many were in your color, but cannot break down further than that.
If you want to know how many Bright Green Metallic 1997 Z28s were made with dark gray leather with a manual transmission you are absolutely out of luck, because 1) GM either didn't track it or 2) they don't release the information to the public and you'd have to contact them with your VIN # if you wanted to get anywhere.
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I think some folks here may be confusing rare for desirable or valuable. Rare by its definition means "not many" If there was only one lime green camaro ever built it is rare. If there was only 20 camaros built with drum brakes they are rare. Conversely, just because something is desirable or valuable doesn't make it rare. For the record, I have an 01 arctic white t/a firehawk with 1LE, M6, auburn dif., and chrome wheels. It is one of one. There is not another firehawk of that year optioned like mine. Does it make it desirable or valuable, absolutely not. Does anybody give a chit. Nope. But the car is rare.
I think some folks here may be confusing rare for desirable or valuable. Rare by its definition means "not many" If there was only one lime green camaro ever built it is rare. If there was only 20 camaros built with drum brakes they are rare. Conversely, just because something is desirable or valuable doesn't make it rare. For the record, I have an 01 arctic white t/a firehawk with 1LE, M6, auburn dif., and chrome wheels. It is one of one. There is not another firehawk of that year optioned like mine. Does it make it desirable or valuable, absolutely not. Does anybody give a chit. Nope. But the car is rare.
Don't forget the Hendrick SS's
9 - 1997 LT4 SS 30th Anniversary
61 - 1997 LT1 SS Silver with Black stripes.
Weren't there three 2000 Sunset Orange Metallic SS's made? A test run of the color? It's in the White Book.
But the bottom line, to me, my cars are all 1 of 1.
9 - 1997 LT4 SS 30th Anniversary
61 - 1997 LT1 SS Silver with Black stripes.
Weren't there three 2000 Sunset Orange Metallic SS's made? A test run of the color? It's in the White Book.
But the bottom line, to me, my cars are all 1 of 1.
Not sure if mine counts or not But I have a 98 Trans Am Mecham # 2 of 18 built. This is a car that was Built by Mecham Performance and Design ( or dealer modified I guess is a better word) Mine is a GTR model.
Isn't this what a forum board is for? Discussion, debate, braggin', opinions? Go to any thread on this forum board and you will see folks discussing not only their cars but the advantage of one mod vs. another one. As long as it is done in adult manner...........what is wrong with that? I see absolutely no reason why this thread should be locked.
Sure, if it can done in a civilized manner. But it always ends up in a pissing match. Mine is better than yours, ..., I've got 1 of 1, ..., Whatever, ...
Oh well, I didn't mean for anyone to get pissy about it. Like usual, ...
That's why the 'aisle 5' thing was a joke.
(Still didn't like the post delete tho, ...,
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1999 GM Camaro Build Counts United States Retail and Fleet Orders Thursday January 13th 2005
A total of 42,098 Camaros were built for the United States.
29,840 were Automatics -- 70.9%
7,308 were 6-speeds -- 17..8%
4,950 were 5-speeds -- 11.8%
Colors:
#1 41U Black 8,742 20.8%
#2 11U Pewter 8,665 20.6%
#3 81U Red 7,798 18.5%
#4 10U White 5,276 12.5%
#5 28U Navy 4,974 11.8%
#6 13U Silver 2,385 5.7%
#7 79U M. Teal 1,482 3.5%
#8 99U H. Orange 1,402 3.3%
#9 20U B. Blue 1,117 2.7%
#10 31U B. Green 217 0.4% (dropped in Oct. '98)
#11 44U Maroon 45 0.1% ##
#12 63U Gold 5 0.0% $$$
## A total of 45 1999 Monterey Maroon cars were built for the GM fleet in order to allow the color to be available at start-of-production '00. A separate list will be provided at a later date with exact models/trims for these cars. They were a mix of V6 coupes, convertibles, and Z28s. None were SS and none had Y3F Sport Appearance Package. All were driven by GM employees and most were disposed of thru the GM auction program. . . which means GM dealers would have bought them for resale to the public.
$$$ A total of 5 Z28 Coupes were built in the 1999 model year in color 63U Sport Gold metallic. While Sport Gold was discontinued near the end of the model run in 1998, a contract had been signed between Chevrolet and Days Inn for a sweepstakes where the final prize was a Sport Gold Z28 Coupe. While the sweepstakes ran in the spring and summer of '98, the contract specified a 1999 Z28. Thus Ste. Therese built 5 1999s for this sweepstakes. Two units were given away, the other three were driven by GM executives and then disposed of through the GM auction system.
Camaro SS
Coupe with 6-speed: 2,647
Coupe with Automatic 1,380
Convert with 6-speed 365
Convert with Automatic 437
Camaro SS 1LE with 6 speed 7units
of which:
5 were Hugger Orange
1 was white
1 was Navy
Camaro SS 1LE with Automatic 1 Unit!
and it was Hugger Orange.
Camaro 1LE 6-speed (includes Z28 and SS) 66 units
10U White 7 units
11U Pewter 10 units
13U Silver 3 units
20U B. Blue 2 units
28U Navy 8 units
41U Black 17 units
79U M.Teal 0 units
81U Red 8 units
99U H.Orange 11 units
Camaro 1LE Automatic (incl. Z28 and SS) 8 units
10U White 3 units
20U B. Blue 1 unit
41U Black 2 units
99U H. Orange 2 units
Camaro B4C Special Service with Auto 184 units
10U White 50 units
11U Pewter 25 units
13U Silver 4 units
20U B. Blue 1 unit
28U Navy 35 units
31U B. Green 1 unit
41U Black 36 units
79 M.Teal 18 units
81U Red 14 units
99U H. Orange 0 units
Camaro B4C Special Service with 6-speed 12 Units
10U White 3 units
28U Navy 7 units
41U Black 1 unit
81U Red 1 unit
23,930 Camaros had CC1 Removable roof panels
17,393 Camaros were Z28 or SS (had LS1 Engine) which is 41.3% of build
24,705 Camaros were V-6 with the 3800 engine which is 58.7% of build
5,346 Camaros were built with NG1 Northeast Emissions
29,808 Camaros were built with FE9 Federal Emissions
4,509 Camaros were built with YF5 California Emissions
34,698 Camaros were ordered as "Stock" orders by dealers
6,758 Camaros were ordered as "Sold" orders by dealers (customers special ordered their Camaro)
642 Camaros were ordered as "Fleet" by dealers (for Police, federal government, and large business/rental/concerns.
5,304 V-6 Camaros were ordered with Y87 Package
6,928 Camaros were ordered with the Y3F Sport Appearance package
778 Camaros were built with White Leather Interior
21,636 were built with 14B Dark Gray Cloth
10,783 were built with 142 Dark Gray Leather
3,466 were built with 52B Neutral Cloth
3,318 were built with 522 Neutral Leather
643 were built with 73B Red Accent Cloth
502 Convertibles were built with 10T white top
2,784 were built with 41T Black top
814 were built with 56T Neutral top
5,276 Camaros were built with the UM6 Stereo Cassette radio
8,091were built with the Monsoon Premium Sound system with Cassette
27,257 were built with the Monsoon Premium Sound system with CD
5,045 were built with the 12 Disc CD remote changer.
Here is the SS Hugger Orange numbers I've got. The SS numbers are broken down even further by option too. Chirpthird.com may have them.
T-top A4 - 75
T-top M6 - 174
Ragtop A4 - 26
Ragtop M6 - 35
A4 Coupe - 11
M6 Coupe - 54 (this includes the 1LEs)
There were a lot of HO Z28s built. I'm sure somebody has that number.
A total of 42,098 Camaros were built for the United States.
29,840 were Automatics -- 70.9%
7,308 were 6-speeds -- 17..8%
4,950 were 5-speeds -- 11.8%
Colors:
#1 41U Black 8,742 20.8%
#2 11U Pewter 8,665 20.6%
#3 81U Red 7,798 18.5%
#4 10U White 5,276 12.5%
#5 28U Navy 4,974 11.8%
#6 13U Silver 2,385 5.7%
#7 79U M. Teal 1,482 3.5%
#8 99U H. Orange 1,402 3.3%
#9 20U B. Blue 1,117 2.7%
#10 31U B. Green 217 0.4% (dropped in Oct. '98)
#11 44U Maroon 45 0.1% ##
#12 63U Gold 5 0.0% $$$
## A total of 45 1999 Monterey Maroon cars were built for the GM fleet in order to allow the color to be available at start-of-production '00. A separate list will be provided at a later date with exact models/trims for these cars. They were a mix of V6 coupes, convertibles, and Z28s. None were SS and none had Y3F Sport Appearance Package. All were driven by GM employees and most were disposed of thru the GM auction program. . . which means GM dealers would have bought them for resale to the public.
$$$ A total of 5 Z28 Coupes were built in the 1999 model year in color 63U Sport Gold metallic. While Sport Gold was discontinued near the end of the model run in 1998, a contract had been signed between Chevrolet and Days Inn for a sweepstakes where the final prize was a Sport Gold Z28 Coupe. While the sweepstakes ran in the spring and summer of '98, the contract specified a 1999 Z28. Thus Ste. Therese built 5 1999s for this sweepstakes. Two units were given away, the other three were driven by GM executives and then disposed of through the GM auction system.
Camaro SS
Coupe with 6-speed: 2,647
Coupe with Automatic 1,380
Convert with 6-speed 365
Convert with Automatic 437
Camaro SS 1LE with 6 speed 7units
of which:
5 were Hugger Orange
1 was white
1 was Navy
Camaro SS 1LE with Automatic 1 Unit!
and it was Hugger Orange.
Camaro 1LE 6-speed (includes Z28 and SS) 66 units
10U White 7 units
11U Pewter 10 units
13U Silver 3 units
20U B. Blue 2 units
28U Navy 8 units
41U Black 17 units
79U M.Teal 0 units
81U Red 8 units
99U H.Orange 11 units
Camaro 1LE Automatic (incl. Z28 and SS) 8 units
10U White 3 units
20U B. Blue 1 unit
41U Black 2 units
99U H. Orange 2 units
Camaro B4C Special Service with Auto 184 units
10U White 50 units
11U Pewter 25 units
13U Silver 4 units
20U B. Blue 1 unit
28U Navy 35 units
31U B. Green 1 unit
41U Black 36 units
79 M.Teal 18 units
81U Red 14 units
99U H. Orange 0 units
Camaro B4C Special Service with 6-speed 12 Units
10U White 3 units
28U Navy 7 units
41U Black 1 unit
81U Red 1 unit
23,930 Camaros had CC1 Removable roof panels
17,393 Camaros were Z28 or SS (had LS1 Engine) which is 41.3% of build
24,705 Camaros were V-6 with the 3800 engine which is 58.7% of build
5,346 Camaros were built with NG1 Northeast Emissions
29,808 Camaros were built with FE9 Federal Emissions
4,509 Camaros were built with YF5 California Emissions
34,698 Camaros were ordered as "Stock" orders by dealers
6,758 Camaros were ordered as "Sold" orders by dealers (customers special ordered their Camaro)
642 Camaros were ordered as "Fleet" by dealers (for Police, federal government, and large business/rental/concerns.
5,304 V-6 Camaros were ordered with Y87 Package
6,928 Camaros were ordered with the Y3F Sport Appearance package
778 Camaros were built with White Leather Interior
21,636 were built with 14B Dark Gray Cloth
10,783 were built with 142 Dark Gray Leather
3,466 were built with 52B Neutral Cloth
3,318 were built with 522 Neutral Leather
643 were built with 73B Red Accent Cloth
502 Convertibles were built with 10T white top
2,784 were built with 41T Black top
814 were built with 56T Neutral top
5,276 Camaros were built with the UM6 Stereo Cassette radio
8,091were built with the Monsoon Premium Sound system with Cassette
27,257 were built with the Monsoon Premium Sound system with CD
5,045 were built with the 12 Disc CD remote changer.
Here is the SS Hugger Orange numbers I've got. The SS numbers are broken down even further by option too. Chirpthird.com may have them.
T-top A4 - 75
T-top M6 - 174
Ragtop A4 - 26
Ragtop M6 - 35
A4 Coupe - 11
M6 Coupe - 54 (this includes the 1LEs)
There were a lot of HO Z28s built. I'm sure somebody has that number.
The "lock" thing wasn't needed so I canned it. Just was trying to keep this thread more positive than a pissing match.
Not trying to get to any one.
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Because there isn't a breakdown beyond Covertibles and SS's in 1968, none combined, Its hard to say on mine.
68 RS/SS 350 A/C convertible originally Butternut Yellow. Speculated at about 1200 RS/SS's produced (all colors/ not option specific), but no breakdown on colors or the A/C options.
I've owned the car 29 years and haven't seen another- in person, on-line, in print, nada/zilch.
Dealer delivered Black Bird #30, 1 of 2 black convertibles.
Most often quote I hear, " I've never seen one of these before"
Check'em out at http://www.fquick.com/68_RS_SS_Ragtop
68 RS/SS 350 A/C convertible originally Butternut Yellow. Speculated at about 1200 RS/SS's produced (all colors/ not option specific), but no breakdown on colors or the A/C options.
I've owned the car 29 years and haven't seen another- in person, on-line, in print, nada/zilch.
Dealer delivered Black Bird #30, 1 of 2 black convertibles.
Most often quote I hear, " I've never seen one of these before"
Check'em out at http://www.fquick.com/68_RS_SS_Ragtop
Last edited by 68 RS/SS Ragtop; Oct 7, 2009 at 08:17 AM.