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Old May 4, 2022 | 08:26 PM
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I wanted to reach out and see if anyone familiar with the GMMG Blackbird cars knew of the cars started life as WS6 cars or base Trans Ams. I am familiar with the cars in general as far as the GMMG conversion, just curious if the hoods were all added to the cars.

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From: https://ls1tech.com/articles/trans-a...bird-year-one/

GMMG took a stock Pontiac Trans Am WS6 Ram Air with LS1 5.7 liter V8 engine, 6-speed manual transmission, and Hurst shift linkage. They added an engine package that turned out 380 horsepower and 400 ft-lb torque.
Also: https://www.gmmgregistry.com/gmmg-blackbird/

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Thank for you the link, and I certainly understand how to use Google as well.

The referenced quote you provided was from an article specific to the Year One Blackbirds, which differed slightly as outlined in your second link.

The reason I ask is I just purchased a rare factory color Blackbird, and production numbers indicate that while a Trans Am was available in said color, the WS6 package was not. The ironic part is all this contradicting information is sourced from Google, so It is not my friend.



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Just curious, but was the car you purchased MRM (Maple Red Metallic)? I once encountered an odd discrepancy with this color relating to a WS6 car.

But then I see some images that, apparently, show at least one of the Blackbirds was BGC - which was not supposed to be a WS6 color either. But I am no expert on the Blackbirds.
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Mystic Teal Metallic- but all the information I can find shows a WS6 package was never offered in that color, but there was one Blackbird produced in that color. I’m not an expert by any means, just purely curious.
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Mystic Teal Metallic- but all the information I can find shows a WS6 package was never offered in that color, but there was one Blackbird produced in that color. I’m not an expert by any means, just purely curious.
Mystic Teal Metallic was the name for this color on Chevrolet, but Pontiac called it Blue-Green Chameleon (BGC). Either way, the RPO was 79U and I think 2001 was the last year for this color from the factory.

With that said, if you already own the car then I'm sure you've seen (or have access to) the SPID sticker, or at least the VIN, so checking for the color code and "WS6" RPO should be simple. This would answer all possible questions about how the car left GM initially.

FWIW, I once encountered a MRM car that also "wasn't supposed to be". The color (Maple Red Metallic) was not supposed to be available on WS6 cars, but here one was, sitting in front of me at a dealer (Grossinger Autoplex/Pontiac, Lincolnwood, IL). This was a brand new car, in the 2000 model year. At that time, I didn't know that MRM wasn't supposed to be available on a WS6, but the color was new for 2000 (though I later discovered that a handful of '99s came in this color as an early introduction, at least on Camaro, not sure about Firebird) so it caught my eye. It was on their new car lot, had a window sticker and all the correct WS6 parts (hood, decals, badge, exhaust, wheels/tires). I didn't think to examine the window sticker, jot down the VIN, nor return to check the SPID (this was on a Sunday, so they were closed) as, again, I didn't realize until years later that this was a car that wasn't supposed to be. That dealer was a pretty big institution in the area, I guess I could see a situation where they created a dealer "WS6 clone" for a customer who then decided not to buy it, hence it ended up on their lot. But I wish I could go back and get that VIN, just to see what that car really was.
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Thanks for the clarification. I will check the VIN and option codes.
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Photos??? Would love to see the car. I bought a new a BGC Formula (1996) in Florida and really liked it. I had it for 9 years. The color changed dramatically in different lighting.



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MRM was available from '99-'02 and wasn't supposed to be available w/ WS6. However, CompNine's database is missing numerous builds compared to info from other sources from 2000 - 2002, so I can't say with authority that a MRM WS6 was never built (there were, after all, 2 WS6 Formula 'verts built in '98 when Formulas were no longer supposed to be available as a 'vert). I would love to see a SPID w/ WS6 & 44U. I have seen several MRMs w/ WS6 hoods though.

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Mystic Teal Metallic- but all the information I can find shows a WS6 package was never offered in that color, but there was one Blackbird produced in that color. I’m not an expert by any means, just purely curious.
Similarly, BGC was available from (at least) '98-'01 and wasn't supposed to be available w/ WS6. But the lack of numerous builds in CompNine's database leaves open the possibility that some have slipped out the factory door w/ WS6. Finding a documented example would be cool. Lets see that SPID sticker as it should remove all doubt.
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I have the option codes and it appears the car is a factory blue-green chameleon Trans am, yet it does not include the WS6 RPO on the list of options.

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^^^ Now that's a cool car!!!
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My favorite color for that car!
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That's a nice looking T/A, I bet that BGC really pops in the sun!
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Originally Posted by wesst
I’ve always wondered what happened to this car? Last I saw it was in Kennesaw GA for sale at Carl Black. Did it ever receive any Phase upgrades or stay the “original” 380hp?
it really did pop and looked amazing in the sun light. Pictures never did bring out the full color.
Great car and wish I could purchase it, but never had the funding when it was for sale.
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Originally Posted by wesst
Thank for you the link, and I certainly understand how to use Google as well.

The referenced quote you provided was from an article specific to the Year One Blackbirds, which differed slightly as outlined in your second link.

The reason I ask is I just purchased a rare factory color Blackbird, and production numbers indicate that while a Trans Am was available in said color, the WS6 package was not. The ironic part is all this contradicting information is sourced from Google, so It is not my friend.

Congratulations on being the new owner of this wonderful car. May I ask for a picture of the door tag number to be posted?

Over on the GMMG registry, your current car is one of the ones missing information. The registry is used to locate and track all GMMG cars. I can provide you a link to the specific site and page if you’d like.
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