Wiring, Stereo & Electronics Audio Components | Radars | Alarms - and things that spark when they shouldn't

BIG 3 upgrade / 200 amp alternator

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 16, 2008 | 03:39 PM
  #1  
cws T/A's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,284
Likes: 0
From: Texas
Default BIG 3 upgrade / 200 amp alternator

BIG 3 =
Alternator to battery positive
Engine to chassis ground
Battery - to chassis ground


Stock 105amp vs 200amp {tested output sheet reads 220.4amps }






Some comparison shots

Factory alternator power lead vs 7/16'' Craftsman wrench



Factory vs Kicker 4 gauge {Note : this would be a good upgrade on a smaller amp alternator stock 105amp / 130amp / 160amp etc .}



1/0 gauge vs 4 gauge vs stock




I went ahead and bought 20' of red for power leads / 4' black for grounds of Knukoncepts Fleks 1/0 gauge since I am using a higher amperage alternator .
Also bought [7] 1/0 gauge ring terminals { used 2 from alternator to battery , 2 for engine to chassis ground , 2 for battery - to chassis ground . I used the other one to go to my amps . }

1/0 gauge vs Kicker 4 gauge



Wire count inside insulation , crappy pic but you can see the difference ,
1/0 gauge vs stock alternator power lead

Reply
Old Mar 16, 2008 | 03:40 PM
  #2  
cws T/A's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,284
Likes: 0
From: Texas
Default

Alright , heres some install shots , didnt have access to the camera during installation but I did try my best to capture a few and the end result .

Started by removing the old alternator , be carefull not to rip out the small wire going to it like I did . All's well though as I bought a new terminal with what looks to be a little better gauge wire . No pics of removal but here is a nice removal guide I found from WhiteBird00 ..
Originally Posted by WhiteBird00

1. Disconnect the negative battery cable
2. Remove the accessory drive belt
3. Raise the vehicle
4. Remove the positive cable from the alternator by sliding the boot back and removing the nut.


5. Remove the alternator rear bracket


6. Remove the transmission oil cooler lines from the oil cooler clip.
7. Remove the front alternator mounting bolts and oil cooler clip.


8. Disconnect the alternator electrical connector


9. Remove the alternator

The larger replacement alternator will not use the rear mounting bracket or the cooling duct that was on the original.


Next to come since I had more free room to work was the Engine to Chassis ground . The stock ground is very small , I just left it inplace and run another one . I went off the factory engine mount stud and found a nut to fit it . Its a small fine thread nut .



Bolted to the Chassis I found the factory ABS mount to have a bolt in the right place so I removed it . Had to slightly wallow out my ring terminal end to get the bolt through .



I run the ground away from the header tube and the steering linkage , also left some slack for engine movement .

Engine to Chassis ground upgrade complete

Next I installed the new alternator , run the power lead . Used the factory mounting holders . Here is some shots from the alternator to battery positive .

Alternator to Battery power lead upgrade complete








Next was the Battery negative to body/chassis ground , self explanitory .

Battery Negative to Body/Chassis ground upgrade complete




Now with the extra 14.5' of power wire left and the extra 1/0 gauge ring terminal I wanted to upgrade to my amps . Went from dual 4 gauge { each one runs to its own amp } to a single 1/0 gauge .
The small 4 channel amp was fine with 4 gauge at only 300watts rms or so , but the sub amp I was pushing it with that long of a run running over 1,000 watts rms through a single 4 gauge power lead .
I also like how it cleaned up the under hood look .

Before



After




Amps input won't accept a 1/0 gauge so I boought a 1/0gauge input / dual 4 gauge output fused distribution block . Have less than 2' of 4 gauge now going to the sub amp instead of 13' which should make a slight difference .
Got it from Knukonceptz , its there Konfused block , has 2 100 amp mini ANL fuses , small 4 channel has built into it 2 20amp blade fuses .





Well before the upgrades with the car running the voltage would drop into the 12's and stay there until I turned the volume back down . Obviously if the voltage is dropping I wasn't getting the full output from the sub amp to the sub .

Now after the upgrades the voltage only has dropped to 13.9volts playing it full tilt . Made a big difference in the way it hits also . That was with the car idling .

So there it is , the BIG 3 upgrade on a '2000 F -body . If you were to do the same I think you could order about 6' of power wire / 3' of ground wire .

Out of the 24' I had about 3-4' left over .

Last edited by cws T/A; Mar 16, 2008 at 03:51 PM.
Reply
Old Mar 16, 2008 | 05:15 PM
  #3  
dragonrage's Avatar
TECH Addict
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,591
Likes: 1
From: Massachusetts
Default

Where's the fuse between alt and battery?
Reply
Old Mar 16, 2008 | 05:47 PM
  #4  
cws T/A's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,284
Likes: 0
From: Texas
Default

Stock it doesn't have one , so I didn't see the need for one .

I was going to put one in though , have 2 extra Kicker ANL fuse holders , 2 100amps / 60amp fuses . Factory is 50amp fuse at the distribution block . Once I seen the factory didnt use one I just went with it , no smoke yet .
Reply
Old Mar 17, 2008 | 01:03 AM
  #5  
toslo5o's Avatar
Banned
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 290
Likes: 0
From: ohio
Default

Originally Posted by dragonrage
Where's the fuse between alt and battery?
never seen that on a car

no pic of the pwr thru the firewall?
Reply
Old Mar 17, 2008 | 11:21 AM
  #6  
pentavolvo's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,273
Likes: 1
Default

nice work

his power wire goes through with the pcm wires not much to see
Reply
Old Mar 20, 2008 | 01:36 PM
  #7  
WhiteStripes's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,299
Likes: 0
From: Phoenix, AZ
Default

Nice this is something I'd like to do eventually. Probably when I put in a new motor to have a better electrical system for the high performance engine. I guess you wouldn't really need it now, but are you running a capacitor?
Reply
Old Mar 20, 2008 | 06:04 PM
  #8  
DGraboyes
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

thats some sick wires dude

im surprised you didnt get a red top to go with all that major wiring
Reply
LS1 Tech Stories

The Best V8 Stories One Small Block at Time

story-0

Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-2

Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-4

Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

 
story-5

Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

 Verdad Gallardo
story-7

Awesome K5 Blazer Restomod Comes With C7 Corvette Power

 Verdad Gallardo
story-8

10 Camaros You Should Never Buy

 
story-9

10 LS Engine Myths That Refuse to Die

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Mar 20, 2008 | 10:12 PM
  #9  
cws T/A's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,284
Likes: 0
From: Texas
Default

No fluxcapacitor .
Reply
Old Mar 23, 2008 | 02:52 PM
  #10  
Topless TA's Avatar
Launching!
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 238
Likes: 0
From: Kansas City
Default

Originally Posted by cws T/A
No fluxcapacitor .
1.21 gigawats
Reply
Old Mar 23, 2008 | 04:50 PM
  #11  
Intercooler2's Avatar
11 Second Club
iTrader: (24)
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,554
Likes: 2
From: North East, MD
Default

I always wanted to do the big three in my Honda but never did. Still running the stock alternator too which amazes me considering it is 70 Amps and I run the following:

MB Quart QAA1000... 1000 Watt 4-channel to CDT M-6's, 5.25's, tweets and Focal 6x9's.

Hifonics 2006D... 2000 Watt Mono D to two FI-Q 12" subs.


That's 3000 watts and all I have is a Stinger cap and a Kinetics 1400 series battery. The battery was well worth it. I am amazed that nothing has happened and it actually will flex the roof
Reply
Old Mar 27, 2008 | 10:20 PM
  #12  
stealth355tpi's Avatar
TECH Enthusiast
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 672
Likes: 3
From: Washington Crossing, PA
Default

how do you like that wire? i used the same thing in my firebird. i was very happy with it and it is so easy to work with it at the size that is it. cant beat it for the price either.
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2008 | 01:59 PM
  #13  
ILLINTENT's Avatar
Staging Lane
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 92
Likes: 0
Default

that's a sweet install. Now you need a kickass battery, you could even relocate it to the trunk now that you already have the 1/0 cable run back there.

Actually, you could leave your stock battery under the hood and just add a small suplemental battery to the trunk.

Don't do any capacitors, they are a waste of money.
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2008 | 02:30 PM
  #14  
Intercooler2's Avatar
11 Second Club
iTrader: (24)
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,554
Likes: 2
From: North East, MD
Default

IMO with my own eyes a good deep cycle gel battery >cap or big wires. That first before anything. I know some say wires pick things up but never saw the proof on a meter or Amp probe to prove it.
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2008 | 02:43 PM
  #15  
jmilz28's Avatar
TECH Addict
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 2,717
Likes: 125
From: Houston, TX
Default

I've done the big 3 on three of my vehicles and seen before and after on half a dozen more. Only one did it not make a dramatic difference. It's JUST as important as the battery. Battery is a source/storage - the BIG 3 upgrades the entire circuit. Only as good as the weakest link kinda thing...
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2008 | 03:43 PM
  #16  
pentavolvo's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,273
Likes: 1
Default

Ive seen big3 make huge improvments more then once
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2008 | 04:24 PM
  #17  
renxwar's Avatar
Launching!
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 207
Likes: 0
Default

Would it be worth my time and money to do it on a system that doesn't make the volts go down? I only have a couple 10" Comp VRs. The stock system seems fine..
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2008 | 08:22 PM
  #18  
pentavolvo's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,273
Likes: 1
Default

If your lights arent fluctuating at all then the big3 prly wont do much for you, but it wont hurt to do it
Reply
Old Mar 29, 2008 | 03:57 PM
  #19  
PlatnumStatuz's Avatar
10 Second Club
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 350
Likes: 0
From: north bay CA
Default

nice work
Reply
Old Mar 29, 2008 | 05:17 PM
  #20  
RooRnZ28's Avatar
10 Second Club
20 Year Member
Photogenic
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 1,392
Likes: 0
From: Central California
Default

nice writeup dude..... i need to do this really bad, all my lights flicker at night and i can also hear my electric rear mount oil pump fluctuating with the lights!
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:58 PM.

story-0
Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

Slideshow: This heavily modified 1971 Camaro mixes classic muscle car styling with a fifth-generation Camaro interior and modern LS3 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:06:42


VIEW MORE
story-1
6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

Slideshow: From wobbling harmonic balancers to failed EBCMs, these are the issues that define long-term C5 ownership and what repairs typically involve.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-07 18:44:57


VIEW MORE
story-2
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

Slideshow: A modern Camaro transformed into a retro icon, this limited-run "Bandit" build blends nostalgia with brute force in a way few revivals manage.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:57:02


VIEW MORE
story-3
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

Slideshow: Cadillac didn't just crash the high-performance luxury vehicle party, it showed up loud, supercharged, and occasionally a little unhinged...

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-16 10:05:15


VIEW MORE
story-4
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

Slideshow: Top ten most powerful Chevy trucks ever made

By | 2026-03-25 09:22:26


VIEW MORE
story-5
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

Slideshow: Hennessey has turned the Silverado ZR2 into a 700-hp off-road monster with supercharged V8 power and a limited production run.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-24 18:57:52


VIEW MORE
story-6
Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

Slideshow: A one-off sports car that looks like a vintage Italian exotic-but hides a C6 Corvette underneath-just sold for the price of a new mid-engine Corvette.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-23 18:53:41


VIEW MORE
story-7
Awesome K5 Blazer Restomod Comes With C7 Corvette Power

Slideshow: A heavily reworked 1972 K5 Blazer swaps its off-road roots for a low-slung street-focused build with modern V8 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-09 18:08:45


VIEW MORE
story-8
10 Camaros You Should Never Buy

Slideshow: There are thousands of used Camaros on the market but we think you should avoid these 10

By | 2026-02-17 17:09:30


VIEW MORE
story-9
10 LS Engine Myths That Refuse to Die

Slideshows: Which one of these myths do you believe?

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-01-28 18:10:11


VIEW MORE