Americans at WAR: CTS-V 2009 vs. WS6 LT1 1996'
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Yeah they are trapping 115-120 depending on conditions. I ran one with me on motor and only put a car length on him from 40-140, and trust me even a h/c lt1 wouldnt hang that close to my car. They are beasts from the roll, weight slowly plays out of the equation at higher speeds. Why do you think they have a top speed of 191mph? Im not saying your story is fake but maybe he was playin with you.
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Believe me he was definitely not playing with me (I've been in this game a long time, raced tons of street stuff), it was all business on his end. He even commented that I put a good fight till about 100 mph and then it was a freight train coming on me. I think the biggest component of this thread; it was a street race. Maybe, he was the one guy that does not know how to drive an automatic. I wish someone could tell me what a stock V runs in the 1/8 mile. My car on it old numbers (in my sig) has been 8.0's @ 87. Does a V run faster than 8.0's @ 87 in the 1/8 ?
I have one main question, are the CTS-V's trapping faster than 12.40's on a regular basis. I'm pretty sure with the way my car sits right now, it will go 12.40's about 2 tenths faster than my ET in my sig (old ET). It's obvious that the CTS-V can go faster than the 12.70 ET that Motortrend posted, but the question really is; " how fast are the everyday ET's of this car " I find it hard to believe these cars are running 11.90's showroom stock all day long, if that is the case then I would have been murdered running my 12.40/50 ish car. My buddy had a (SOM) SS that ran consistent 11.90's / 12.00's on drag radials @ 114/15, and he would start to rape me around the midpoint in third gear.
I have one main question, are the CTS-V's trapping faster than 12.40's on a regular basis. I'm pretty sure with the way my car sits right now, it will go 12.40's about 2 tenths faster than my ET in my sig (old ET). It's obvious that the CTS-V can go faster than the 12.70 ET that Motortrend posted, but the question really is; " how fast are the everyday ET's of this car " I find it hard to believe these cars are running 11.90's showroom stock all day long, if that is the case then I would have been murdered running my 12.40/50 ish car. My buddy had a (SOM) SS that ran consistent 11.90's / 12.00's on drag radials @ 114/15, and he would start to rape me around the midpoint in third gear.
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I also think it could have to do with the running temp of the car, most of those times tested the car is just chilling and has not been driven for a while then raced, if the CTS-V was heat soaked that could have played a part as well, i remember reading something about GM's operating temperature and how much it affects timing in the car and something about timing being significantly after 190* but i could be wrong, only speculation.
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That's actually a reasonable conclusion, even though the air temp was about 70, cool and breezy (evening, probably perfect weather for a s-chrgr). Who knows how long he had been driving it on the street before we raced. If the car pulls alot of timing above a certain temp, that would certainly change how well this car ran. If the PCM pulls 40/50 hp (fwhp) from the car under certain heated conditions, it would make a difference; instead of (556 hp, maybe 500 hp). It's certainly something to be considered. I'm open to any interpretation of this race, but either way I had a ton of fun racing this beast
That's actually a reasonable conclusion, even though the air temp was about 70, cool and breezy (evening, probably perfect weather for a s-chrgr). Who knows how long he had been driving it on the street before we raced. If the car pulls alot of timing above a certain temp, that would certainly change how well this car ran. If the PCM pulls 40/50 hp (fwhp) from the car under certain heated conditions, it would make a difference; instead of (556 hp, maybe 500 hp). It's certainly something to be considered. I'm open to any interpretation of this race, but either way I had a ton of fun racing this beast
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According to CD, yeah.
http://www.caranddriver.com/content/...Test+Sheet.pdf
Figure the 5-60 time is .3 seconds longer, so I guess its possible you would be right there. I would think an auto car would be a little quicker than the manual from 5-60.
http://www.caranddriver.com/content/...Test+Sheet.pdf
Figure the 5-60 time is .3 seconds longer, so I guess its possible you would be right there. I would think an auto car would be a little quicker than the manual from 5-60.
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Great story Lamont.
Anyone callin BS on this story doesn't know WTF they are talkin about. Mike's car has suprised a **** ton of people & laid waste to cars it probably shouldn't have on the streets. This man never lies about a race win, lose or draw. Hell he never lies period if anything his biggest fault is honesty if you can consider that a fault.
Just b/c a select few people got a pig *** heavy car to trap an outstanding speed or turn a outstanding time does not mean every person you bump into on the road has the exact same driver mod. I can't count how many times I have seen cars that shouldn't outrun another do so on the street.
Anyone callin BS on this story doesn't know WTF they are talkin about. Mike's car has suprised a **** ton of people & laid waste to cars it probably shouldn't have on the streets. This man never lies about a race win, lose or draw. Hell he never lies period if anything his biggest fault is honesty if you can consider that a fault.
Just b/c a select few people got a pig *** heavy car to trap an outstanding speed or turn a outstanding time does not mean every person you bump into on the road has the exact same driver mod. I can't count how many times I have seen cars that shouldn't outrun another do so on the street.
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I remember when the LT1 was viewed as a low torque - peaky motor compared to the TPI vettes.
I think the LSA is probably higher torque, at lower rpm, but probably not usable.
There also seems to be quite a variation between LSA dynos. Everything from 430-470. It seems 450 is about the norm.
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I remember when the LT1 was viewed as a low torque - peaky motor compared to the TPI vettes.
I think the LSA is probably higher torque, at lower rpm, but probably not usable.
There also seems to be quite a variation between LSA dynos. Everything from 430-470. It seems 450 is about the norm.
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According to CD, yeah.
http://www.caranddriver.com/content/...Test+Sheet.pdf
Figure the 5-60 time is .3 seconds longer, so I guess its possible you would be right there. I would think an auto car would be a little quicker than the manual from 5-60.
http://www.caranddriver.com/content/...Test+Sheet.pdf
Figure the 5-60 time is .3 seconds longer, so I guess its possible you would be right there. I would think an auto car would be a little quicker than the manual from 5-60.
Apparently it does not have me beat by ET, just mph in the 1/8 th. It shows roughly 8.0 at 90 mph in the 1/8 th for the CTS-V. My car on the old sig (12.61 @ 109) ran 8.01 @ 87 mph. So, if my car actually is running 12.40ish now. My guess for its current 1/8 th mile would have to be 7.90's @ 88/89 mph. I think the numbers add up for my race from 10 to 110 on the street (once again, JMO).
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Apparently it does not have me beat by ET, just mph in the 1/8 th. It shows roughly 8.0 at 90 mph in the 1/8 th for the CTS-V. My car on the old sig (12.61 @ 109) ran 8.01 @ 87 mph. So, if my car actually is running 12.40ish now. My guess for its current 1/8 th mile would have to be 7.90's @ 88/89 mph. I think the numbers add up for my race from 10 to 110 on the street (once again, JMO).
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Thats why I said it appears you would be right around there - for this encounter.
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I agree in theory, it was my best guess, giving the V an advantage of assuming the 8.0 @ 90 was C/D's 1/8 th mile ? Your right, we can't be sure, but I would suspect the car is somewhere give or take around 90 mph (+/- 2mph) in the 1/8 th mile. After looking at the price tag on one this car, it's an incredible value for $60k. I want one !!!!
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96silverram are you bolt-on's only? If so you have to be the highest dynoing bolt-on LT1 I have ever seen. I mean hell I have all that you have except for 1.6RR's and I could maybe, hopefully expect 300 at the rear wheels. Do you have any weight redux? A 12.40 seems almost out of the realm of possibility w/o some weight reduction, awesome 60ft., and more than normal power in a bolt-on LT1 car