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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by unit213
I'll let that that ride since you said "usually" a couple times. Personally, I think
you talk out of your *** an awful lot. But I digress...

OP - respectable death. You should be running 10's easily so I'd assume
the guy you raced has a fairly quick car...a big mouth apparently...but a quick car.
I made sure to say "usually" quite a few times.. I know what Cobras are capable of, even on stock untouched Eatons. But I also know how they "usually" perform. Whether it be lack of driver skill or just a poor setup, they don't usually perform up to par. The ones that do...

I talk about my experiences on the track and what I use to experience (now watch) on the street. I try my hardest not to quote what I read in a thread or watched on youtube or read in a MotorTrend magazine. Not sure how that is talking out of my ***...?
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by GXPPOWER
good run OP.

and there are quite a few of us on here who have never been scared to post about beating some rustangs. i beat quite a few in my TA and im already 2-0 in the Z vs them. and hopefully by the time the 2011's come out ill already be well into the 12's heh so i atleast can continue saying ive never lost to a stock mustang
If you are stock or even mild bolt ons... From a roll a Cobra would run all over you. You just aren't racing the right ones.... Or maybe you are since you don't want to lose.
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 02:23 AM
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Nice runs Op and good story, to your opponent, learn some respect and how to shut your mouth. You beat him and he admitted it. No need to come in here and act like your the **** and make it sound like his car is slow. No wonder people argue all the time. If I were you id be like I wasnt expecting to win but I did and I couldnt be happier. You deserves to get walked by a 1990 turbo civic with your heads/cam only camaro so your the one saying, all i need is nitrous and i would have won.
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by toslow5o
it would be easier to just go on over to a stang forum. but they prolly wouldn't put up with it over there
I'm currently on a stang forum. They are generally accepting of all cars that are fast like MOST of the people here...
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by 00silverGTP
wow man. you have a much larger cubed motor and 600#s lighter!
If the OP's Cobra is full weight he should be around 36xxlbs. The other guys Camaro weighs 3200lbs without the driver. Soooo that's 400lbs, not 600. BIG difference. Don't forget the OP has roughly a 35 horsepower advantage and lots more torque as well.

Originally Posted by 00silverGTP
pathetic people compare these cars that way. I could say its sad you had to completely build your motor to beat his basic bolt on cobra.....
What's so pathetic about it? You guys are insisting he spray on top of everything he's got just to take a N/A stock 346? Sure takes a whole lot doesn't it. lol And the O.P.'s car is a STAGE 4 PORTED....not your typical bolt-on pullied Cobra, but about 50hp or so beyond that. Don't twist words, just tell it like it is. And I hope you don't consider a H/C Top End kit with full bolt-ons on a stock LS1 bottom a "completely built motor". If so then your obviously not educated in the field of engine building.

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btw - you sound like a douche coming in his thread like that. you could have left it at "good race man"
I think the guy has a legitimate point. After all the OP was going to spray on the down low. That's not the way the game is supposed to be played.
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 12:25 PM
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Seems like just bolt ons to me...bone stock motor
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 12:50 PM
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Typical Mustang death thread.

Mustang with a gazillion mods loses to a car with half the work and all hell breaks loose.

Originally Posted by mrbigjeep
Seems like just bolt ons to me...bone stock motor
Pure comedy.

If that's the case, wouldn't his H/C/I Camaro be considered a bolt-on car since he has a stock motor as well

Geez, now people are considering Ported Blowers a bolt-on. What's next?
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 12:51 PM
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seems like I'm not the only one with my point of view.
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 01:56 PM
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Okay so I wen't back over to the Camaro guys (Adrian is his name) house last night, we decided to go for one more round since the last run was so close. I agreed to run blower-only this time as I do feel it's a better match up. Yeah I believe in run what you brung but I also believe in being logical at the same time. The outcome was the same so I won't even bother posting another story. About 1-1.5 cars all three runs from a 30-115 roll. Afterwards I demanded a ride in his car. That thing pulls VERY F'n Hard in the higher rpms. He shifts just right below 7,000rpm (about 6800-ish) which is pretty amazing for having the stock internals. He says the motor has a top shelf valvetrain along with ARP rod Bolts so that's how he's able to get away with it, even though he admitted he could be on borrowed time once he ports his intake and swaps headers. My car feels like it makes a fair amount more torque though but the combination of his lighter weight, high rpm power, and short gears (guy has 4.30's) makes up for that. We must of talked for about an hour atleast, really cool guy, very confident but in a cool way if you know what I mean. After last night i'm seriously thinking of a way I can fit an LS1 SS into my budget if I can make it run like that one. Might have to consider putting both the LT1 and fox up for sale soon.


And thanks to all the compliments guys!
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ARCTIC '00
If that's the case, wouldn't his H/C/I Camaro be considered a bolt-on car since he has a stock motor as well
Aftermarket heads and a cam = a stock motor?

A ported blower is really stretching the bolt on category. Might as well call a turbo a bolt on too.
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Redfire 03
Okay so I wen't back over to the Camaro guys (Adrian is his name) house last night, we decided to go for one more round since the last run was so close. I agreed to run blower-only this time as I do feel it's a better match up. Yeah I believe in run what you brung but I also believe in being logical at the same time. The outcome was the same so I won't even bother posting another story. About 1-1.5 cars all three runs from a 30-115 roll. Afterwards I demanded a ride in his car. That thing pulls VERY F'n Hard in the higher rpms. He shifts just right below 7,000rpm (about 6800-ish) which is pretty amazing for having the stock internals. He says the motor has a top shelf valvetrain along with ARP rod Bolts so that's how he's able to get away with it, even though he admitted he could be on borrowed time once he ports his intake and swaps headers. My car feels like it makes a fair amount more torque though but the combination of his lighter weight, high rpm power, and short gears (guy has 4.30's) makes up for that. We must of talked for about an hour atleast, really cool guy, very confident but in a cool way if you know what I mean. After last night i'm seriously thinking of a way I can fit an LS1 SS into my budget if I can make it run like that one. Might have to consider putting both the LT1 and fox up for sale soon.


And thanks to all the compliments guys!
Why are you running his race? 30-115? Try going from 50-130mph to 140mph. Make
sure to go in 2nd gear. He's not going to like that race with a 4.30 gear.
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by unit213
Why are you running his race? 30-115? Try going from 50-130mph to 140mph. Make
sure to go in 2nd gear. He's not going to like that race with a 4.30 gear.
If the biggest gap came from a 40 roll then a 50 isn't going to help alot. With his gearing I don't think he would be in the very bottom of 2nd gear but it would be a slightly closer race.
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 02:50 PM
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Lol at least my post made sense... how is aftermarket heads and cam (part of the motor) a stock motor.
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Originally Posted by mrbigjeep
Lol at least my post made sense... how is aftermarket heads and cam (part of the motor) a stock motor.
I don't think either of you made sense except maybe where he said "in that case"

If heads are a part of an engine I cant see how a blower isn't. In this situation they are both moddeed for better air flow...
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by unit213
Aftermarket heads and a cam = a stock motor?

A ported blower is really stretching the bolt on category. Might as well call a turbo a bolt on too.
That was exactly my point! You just didn't get the sarcasm. I said "in that case", in otherwords I was being sarcastic.

Of course you cannot consider heads & cam, or ported blowers bolt-ons. That's hideous.
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 04:10 PM
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Why not run them from a dig?
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by unit213
Why are you running his race? 30-115? Try going from 50-130mph to 140mph. Make
sure to go in 2nd gear. He's not going to like that race with a 4.30 gear.
+1 should be a 100mph gap.
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 05:39 PM
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Have you guys ever seen a dyno graph of a 500rwhp H/C 346? Those things make power to the moon, to somewhere in the area of 7000-rpm. Even w/ the 4.30's @ that speed he would still be in his band and wouldn't fall back all that bad. My guess is it would still be close.
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 05:47 PM
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To the OP were you doing these rolls in frist gear? And you need to go to 130ish. Your car whould trap 125ish!
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by corysmach1
To the OP were you doing these rolls in frist gear? And you need to go to 130ish. Your car whould trap 125ish!
1st gear for all runs. And yeah I wanted to go faster but the road we were on didn't really permit that.

Also like Arctic said with his car making power so high in the powerband I don't think going from 50 would have hurt him as much even with those short gears. Probably would have been closer, maybe like door to door or me out in front a tad but I think the outcome would have been too much different. If we ever decide to run again the way our cars sit now i'll have to try a higher roll but he's already got a few more mods coming before the month is over.
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