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Old 06-02-2010, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Sarge_13
No. The 700r4 was used in the '93 Z/28. The 4L60 came in the 94's and up. The 4L60E came out in '96 IIRC.
i believe the 93's used the 700r4 (4L60) and in 94' they switched over to the 4L60E. In fact im almost positive of that.
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Old 06-02-2010, 05:22 PM
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I've owned AND weighed my 87 and 91 models... Both LX's... That's not hearsay, it's what happened. My 91 weighed more, by more than I expected.

Is the corral still up? Haven't been there in prolly 10yrs or more.
Yeah the corral is still up haha. I go on there occasionally. Did the 87 and 91 have the exact same options? What was the weight difference?
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Originally Posted by MauriSSio
i believe the 93's used the 700r4 (4L60) and in 94' they switched over to the 4L60E. In fact im almost positive of that.
That's right. 700R4 is the 4L60. They are used in my Syclone and my brother's 93 TA had it as well. The 4L60E started out on F-bodies in 94.
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Originally Posted by MTN_Z
That's right. 700R4 is the 4L60. They are used in my Syclone and my brother's 93 TA had it as well. The 4L60E started out on F-bodies in 94.
Damn, I always get that mixed up. LOL
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Originally Posted by It'llrun
Idonno guys... I raced at least 1 day a week back then and when the 93 Z hit the streets, I was seeing 14.4's as a good run for quite some time. I honestly think many people here and elsewhere simply don't remember those days, most often because they'd never been to a drag strip yet...

Seriously, the 93Z was no 13 second car under normal conditions, at least not where I raced.
Any healthy LT1 6-speed in the hands of a good driver will go bottom 14's EASY. I've seen that done dozens of times. This is old news. Even new it was nothing unusual to go 14-flats in a stocker, like this one here:



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It was heavier than the 93 5.0 by a good amount, had a TERRIBLE rear end suspension setup(in stock form) which really hurt launches and didn't make much more hp. Rated at 275, it didn't put that much to the ground by any means. Of course, the 93 Mustang only put about 187 down, but it also put about 300 lb-ft of torque down, helping move that lighter car.
6-speed LT1's average 245-250rwhp, considerably more than your average stock 5.0 at 190-ish. And while LT1's were a bit heavier they also reached peak torque at just 2400-rpms.



The LT1 was the faster car period.
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Originally Posted by F8L BYT
On average yes you are probably right, especially for GT's... Now put a good driver in a 5.0 notchback and watch them run high 13's all day long. The notchbacks and lt1 cars would be a close race with equal drivers and to deny that you would be crazy....

The lt1 had more power yes, but the weight advantage of the notch made it equal.
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Again, completely misguided information.
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Excellent use of period test material Arctic, I knew there was no way the GT was the equal of the Z28 in 1993.
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I don't think anybody said that... there was an argument made that a well-driven notchback 5spd would be close. And it would, but should still be a victory for the LT1.
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Old 06-03-2010, 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by rjwz28
Excellent use of period test material Arctic, I knew there was no way the GT was the equal of the Z28 in 1993.
nobody said they were equal but look at those trap speeds, youre talking maybe 1mph difference between the 2
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I don't think anybody said that... there was an argument made that a well-driven notchback 5spd would be close. And it would, but should still be a victory for the LT1.
True. Honestly, a 1/2-second 1/4-mile difference isn't that huge on the street, especially when you throw in all the unpredictable factors involved with stoplight racing. But my point was that the 1993 Cobra was the Z28's closest rival, not the GT, and with equal drivers the Z should pull a GT pretty good and just barely edge the Cobra. An assessment which appears to be backed by this article.

nobody said they were equal but look at those trap speeds, youre talking maybe 1mph difference between the 2
I see a 1.4-mph difference between the LT1 and the Cobra; the GT trapped 3 mph slower than the Z.
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Originally Posted by rjwz28
I see a 1.4-mph difference between the LT1 and the Cobra; the GT trapped 3 mph slower than the Z.
Review the entire acceleration times too... And try to make heads or tails of the differences to different speeds... If shifting makes that many changes, it just goes to show how crappy M/T drivers are. Then again, I hold NO stock in M/T overall... They've never gotten the times other tests have shown through most magazines, let alone real owners. A 1.2 second diff to 80mph in the test shown, but only a .4 ET and 1.4mph difference on the 1/4, with neither car reaching 100mph... Judging by that, you'd think the Mustang was about to rip past the Z, but anyone who was around then knows that up top, the Mustang had no chance of survival, due to a combination of the transmission and rear gearing, and hp.
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Originally Posted by rjwz28
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I see a 1.4-mph difference between the LT1 and the Cobra;....
exactly, that is a rediculously close trap speed
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Originally Posted by ARCTIC '00
Any healthy LT1 6-speed in the hands of a good driver will go bottom 14's EASY. I've seen that done dozens of times. This is old news. Even new it was nothing unusual to go 14-flats in a stocker, like this one here:





6-speed LT1's average 245-250rwhp, considerably more than your average stock 5.0 at 190-ish. And while LT1's were a bit heavier they also reached peak torque at just 2400-rpms.




The LT1 was the faster car period.
But wasn't that the reason why people bought LX's to compete. Over 200 pounds lighter with only 10 less hp than the cobra during that time?

My dad's friend had a 90lx. He pulled the spare tire and jack and did a gear swap only from the 2.73s to 3.73s. He said the car ran high 12s and low 13s all day.

The GT and LX 5.0 from 1990-93 I thought was 225hp, and 300 torque bone stock? I thought that's why the LT1 got a 10 hP jump later on. I know an LX was a good 400+ pounds lighter than an LT1.

wow, this certainly brings back memories. Man, I do feel old, lol.

edit: spelling fix

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Old 06-03-2010, 07:12 AM
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Ford brought out the NewEdge model GT to compete with the LT1... but by then the LS1 was out sooo..
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