GTO vs Cammed 6spd Challenger SRT-8
06-21-2010, 10:14 PM
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he said he hung with the h/c ctsv not beat iirc
and the bolts on ta was in a regal gs cammed and bolt on'd
and 500whp cammed/bolt ons seems like a stretch to me thats like 130-140whp more than stock. from the dynos i have seen on youtube ppl are making 410whp-450whp with h/c, full bolt ons, and tune. which makes ju1ces claims of numbers about right
and the bolts on ta was in a regal gs cammed and bolt on'd
and 500whp cammed/bolt ons seems like a stretch to me thats like 130-140whp more than stock. from the dynos i have seen on youtube ppl are making 410whp-450whp with h/c, full bolt ons, and tune. which makes ju1ces claims of numbers about right
06-21-2010, 11:03 PM
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This thread is highly entertaining. I can't believe I read the whole thing. It brings back 2002-era internet memories.
As for the OP, I believe it. Tuning will do a lot for these cars, especially when the guy knows what he's doing. I had a mail order tune, of all things, done to my car for my mods and the car is just a completely different animal. Almost runs a little too well actually.
Plus the new "fast" cars are really slow. 4100 lb curb weights being the norm, 20+ inch chrome wheels, drive by wire systems, not being able to fully disengage any type of traction control. All fail.
As for the OP, I believe it. Tuning will do a lot for these cars, especially when the guy knows what he's doing. I had a mail order tune, of all things, done to my car for my mods and the car is just a completely different animal. Almost runs a little too well actually.
Plus the new "fast" cars are really slow. 4100 lb curb weights being the norm, 20+ inch chrome wheels, drive by wire systems, not being able to fully disengage any type of traction control. All fail.
06-21-2010, 11:44 PM
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I'm pretty sure this SRT8 was not cammed. Even with boltons I see it as a close race. If its cammed, 430rwhp sounds very tame or the dyno is low reading, anyway numbers dont tell all. I checked some dyno results on cammed SRT8 and theyre more like 450-500rwhp. Not long ago, any SRT8 was a 107-108mph and 12s capable in stock form.
Why would the guy lie about mods? I dunno..I met a dumbass that was saying his Mustang was cammed, tuned by Saleen; I open the hood and theres not even headers in there LOL
But the thing is you said you beat a fbody trapping 119mph/ a cammed CTSv but boltons T/A by 2 cars with a boltons LS2 GTO. Non-sense to me except maybe the boltons T/A. Either youre lying, either you have more done to the car, either you have a factory freak which is a theory that only a few still talk about. Your weight reduction will not make it for it because my 4th gen is 3450 full weight. GTO are around 3700lbs
I would have hard time thinking that your car would spank my H/C/I SS...
...uhm... no!
Why would the guy lie about mods? I dunno..I met a dumbass that was saying his Mustang was cammed, tuned by Saleen; I open the hood and theres not even headers in there LOL
But the thing is you said you beat a fbody trapping 119mph/ a cammed CTSv but boltons T/A by 2 cars with a boltons LS2 GTO. Non-sense to me except maybe the boltons T/A. Either youre lying, either you have more done to the car, either you have a factory freak which is a theory that only a few still talk about. Your weight reduction will not make it for it because my 4th gen is 3450 full weight. GTO are around 3700lbs
I would have hard time thinking that your car would spank my H/C/I SS...
...uhm... no!Cam only 6.1= 420-440rwhp
H/C 6.1= 450-480rwhp
Strokers=490-520rwhp
It all depends on the set up and dyno.
Most cam only full weight 6.1's will run mid-low 12's. H/C will run high 11's with some strong set up's running mid 11's. Strokers can typically run mid 11's all day with some of the stronger ones running low low 11's. Even had one NA stroker running 10.8's, but ive seen plenty weak strokers run high 11's also.
My car is cam only and a small one at that, and it only made 380rwhp on pump gas and 412rwhp on race gas. BUT my car will run mid 11's at full weight with good air and high 11's in crappy air all day long. This just goes to show you how much dyno numbers really mean. My cam only car thats technically only making bolt on dyno numbers is at the track running what some strokers are running.
06-22-2010, 01:39 AM
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The autos seem to be quicker than the 6speeds too.
They kept up with me very very well and surprised me, but then again that extra horsepower gave me the top end. We were about even to 130 and then I started pulling away. At 140 I was half a car ahead maybe. I may of phrased it wrong before, I in no way beat him badly, but I did get ahead before i had to shut down.
Very impressive and with minor mods they do fly.
Very impressive and with minor mods they do fly.
It would take a bolt-on and tuned one to lose decently to the OP.
As you know, that dyno is off by about 30rwhp+. 400rwhp is then norm for tuned SRT-8s and I got 413rwhp on race gas. No cam.
06-22-2010, 02:16 AM
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As you stated a full bolt on 6.1 can hit 400+ rwhp on a dynojet. Most bolt on 6.1's make about 320-340 on the dyno I use.
06-22-2010, 09:17 AM
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does it make you mad that my 15 year old car beats stock GTO's?
06-22-2010, 09:33 AM
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ok, since I have time to kill to reread all your stories heres my **edit** forget the boltons T/A**end of edit**
You beat a cammed ctsv(tuned, because untuned was a total rape) by between 3-4cars from some plp and 1-1.5 by the CTSV owner, youre door to door with that 119mph fbody and that LS2 vette.
So how fast do you really do the 1/4?
You beat a cammed ctsv(tuned, because untuned was a total rape) by between 3-4cars from some plp and 1-1.5 by the CTSV owner, youre door to door with that 119mph fbody and that LS2 vette.
So how fast do you really do the 1/4?
I did not beat SRZ's H/C Z28. Although when he had an extra passenger I hung right with him until we stopped at about 120 where he was starting to move out on me.
I ran door to door with a Z51 LS2 c6 from 45-130.
My car has run a PB of 12.17 @ 113ish. I've trapped a high of 114.9. Of course the 12.17 was not on my stock tires. If you guys ever checked out the GTO forum these types of times have been met and surpassed by people with my mods (or less mods), and that it's really not that far from the norm.
Carry on...
06-22-2010, 10:42 AM
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I beat a H/C/I CTS-v claimed 435rwhp. It was a 5.7. From First gear to about 130mph by less than 1 carlength.
I did not beat SRZ's H/C Z28. Although when he had an extra passenger I hung right with him until we stopped at about 120 where he was starting to move out on me.
I ran door to door with a Z51 LS2 c6 from 45-130.
My car has run a PB of 12.17 @ 113ish. I've trapped a high of 114.9. Of course the 12.17 was not on my stock tires. If you guys ever checked out the GTO forum these types of times have been met and surpassed by people with my mods (or less mods), and that it's really not that far from the norm.
Carry on...
I did not beat SRZ's H/C Z28. Although when he had an extra passenger I hung right with him until we stopped at about 120 where he was starting to move out on me.
I ran door to door with a Z51 LS2 c6 from 45-130.
My car has run a PB of 12.17 @ 113ish. I've trapped a high of 114.9. Of course the 12.17 was not on my stock tires. If you guys ever checked out the GTO forum these types of times have been met and surpassed by people with my mods (or less mods), and that it's really not that far from the norm.
Carry on...
You are trying to play everyone here like they are retards or something. If you're beating H/C cars with what is claimed to be a header/tuned only LS2 Goat, then those must be some putrid H/C setups. I mean, really.
06-22-2010, 12:08 PM
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That's great and all, but what these people "claim" to make, and what they really make are probably very different.
You are trying to play everyone here like they are retards or something. If you're beating H/C cars with what is claimed to be a header/tuned only LS2 Goat, then those must be some putrid H/C setups. I mean, really.
You are trying to play everyone here like they are retards or something. If you're beating H/C cars with what is claimed to be a header/tuned only LS2 Goat, then those must be some putrid H/C setups. I mean, really.
06-22-2010, 05:46 PM
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Dam all of juices threads remind me of how my friends with AMGs(few that were in the 11s) and modded 335s, basically took my motor apart to see if i was really stock after how close our runs were on the highway.
Or how a decently modded 05 STi ran me from a 10mph roll the day i got my car and started saying how i must have a HUGE cam and many other mods to be able to pull from a dig like that on him.
These cars are really underestimated and Ju1ce is right how hes not even the fastest around for his mods yet most people are in disbelief about how fast his car is for his mods.
My post may come off as biased but hey i bought my car for some of these reasons after all.
Or how a decently modded 05 STi ran me from a 10mph roll the day i got my car and started saying how i must have a HUGE cam and many other mods to be able to pull from a dig like that on him.
These cars are really underestimated and Ju1ce is right how hes not even the fastest around for his mods yet most people are in disbelief about how fast his car is for his mods.
My post may come off as biased but hey i bought my car for some of these reasons after all.
06-22-2010, 05:59 PM
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That's great and all, but what these people "claim" to make, and what they really make are probably very different.
You are trying to play everyone here like they are retards or something. If you're beating H/C cars with what is claimed to be a header/tuned only LS2 Goat, then those must be some putrid H/C setups. I mean, really.
You are trying to play everyone here like they are retards or something. If you're beating H/C cars with what is claimed to be a header/tuned only LS2 Goat, then those must be some putrid H/C setups. I mean, really.
And juice has alot of weight removed from his car, few little things plus bumper supports shed off alot of weight...
....back to the O.P, I raced a srt8 6.1 300c with bolt ons, and I put a few cars on him easy from a roll he was amking 400whp 400wtq. (video is a few threads down)
Even with a cam I dont think the srt8 would of beat me. So this story from juice could be true..
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06-22-2010, 06:08 PM
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I was a passanger in the LS2 vette, and the kid had such bald tires we werent even getting traction in 3rd on a stock ls2 c6. (very stupid) But juice was right at the back bumper .
And juice has alot of weight removed from his car, few little things plus bumper supports shed off alot of weight...
....back to the O.P, I raced a srt8 6.1 300c with bolt ons, and I put a few cars on him easy from a roll he was amking 400whp 400wtq. (video is a few threads down)
Even with a cam I dont think the srt8 would of beat me. So this story from juice could be true..
And juice has alot of weight removed from his car, few little things plus bumper supports shed off alot of weight...
....back to the O.P, I raced a srt8 6.1 300c with bolt ons, and I put a few cars on him easy from a roll he was amking 400whp 400wtq. (video is a few threads down)
Even with a cam I dont think the srt8 would of beat me. So this story from juice could be true..
And come to think of it, since that race I beat a half dozen LS2 C6's pretty easily. I bet he wasn't even stock...
06-22-2010, 06:12 PM
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You really are stupid. A STOCK GTO? I've made stock GTO's, STOCK like you said, look like they were standing still. I've never raced a cammed one and I'd like to, though. Five more years until I'm eligible for antiques does it make you mad that my 15 year old car beats stock GTO's?
does it make you mad that my 15 year old car beats stock GTO's?
06-22-2010, 06:19 PM
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But bald tires are no excuse he souldnt of raced.
and he was stock down to the paper filter.
06-22-2010, 06:36 PM
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When are you gonna step up and race my header only pig?
06-22-2010, 06:54 PM
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Tonight would of been good. Seth said hell call you, But its raining I wont be out unless it magicly clears up.
come down next tues. You can rematch the C6 too now that he has new tires.