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Old 09-23-2010, 01:35 PM
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What a gay I tried to get a 30 roll and he wouldn't go for it
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Originally Posted by sujomatt
Not anywhere close to what it should have been ... maybe a couple cars.. that civic is hit, or he can't drive or spun and needs tires..
Someone want to explain to me why a 450Rwhp NA car wouldn't walk a 300-320Whp turbo car like this from a 50 roll?

He did not spin, he nailed all of his shifts... Want to keep making excuses why a 300Whp car lost to a 450Rwhp car? What a joke.
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What a gay I tried to get a 30 roll and he wouldn't go for it
He said he needed tires and I said I would wait until he got them.



Exactly what happened is what was supposed to happen... It was exactly what it should have been, period.
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No ones making excuses. I dont give a **** who won or lost. 320whp in a 2200 lb car shouldn't lose that hard to a 3500lb car with 450whp.

If it was an integra or coupe then Id say otherwise.
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Originally Posted by LightningTeg
No ones making excuses. I dont give a **** who won or lost. 320whp in a 2200 lb car shouldn't lose that hard to a 3500lb car with 450whp.

If it was an integra or coupe then Id say otherwise.
I was warry at first cause of the join date and possible bias as a honda owner,

BUT i think this statement is absolutely correct.

An EG hatch with 320whp should have done quite a bit better, but hey anything can happen on the streets obviously.
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well while everyone argues, im suppossed to have a rematch against my buddies turbo hatch, supossedly he got it running right. so we'll see how well a mostly stock fbody holds up to one. im interested to know if both hatches have about the same thing done to em
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Originally Posted by 06 6.0 GTO
I was warry at first cause of the join date and possible bias as a honda owner,

BUT i think this statement is absolutely correct.

An EG hatch with 320whp should have done quite a bit better, but hey anything can happen on the streets obviously.
When talking turbo cars, 90% of the race relies on the initial hit. He's in a low torque, fwd, and wasn't break boosting. The race was just how it should have been.
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Originally Posted by Arctic
well while everyone argues, im suppossed to have a rematch against my buddies turbo hatch, supossedly he got it running right. so we'll see how well a mostly stock fbody holds up to one. im interested to know if both hatches have about the same thing done to em
yeah while they argue.............lol

get a video of that race im interested in seeing the outcome
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Originally Posted by LightningTeg
No ones making excuses. I dont give a **** who won or lost. 320whp in a 2200 lb car shouldn't lose that hard to a 3500lb car with 450whp.

If it was an integra or coupe then Id say otherwise.
Thank you!!!

I don't feel like reading back but if its non-vtec then that would explain the lag. When I am doing a roll I am always in vtec, basically no lag at ALL

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good kill.....maybe i can give it a shot at him
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Originally Posted by LightningTeg
No ones making excuses. I dont give a **** who won or lost. 320whp in a 2200 lb car shouldn't lose that hard to a 3500lb car with 450whp.

If it was an integra or coupe then Id say otherwise.
Really? I am going to assume that an integra and that hatch weigh within reason of each other... You made 283Whp and only trapped 112mph. You really think a couple hundred #s liter and only 20-40 more Whp would put it above 120+mph?

This isn't some gutted civic, it is full weight. even if it is 1000#s liter, the TA makes over 100 more Whp... Not to count the fact the race was from 50mph and one is turbo (lag any way you want to cut it, vtak or non vtak) against NA with absolutely zero lag.



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When talking turbo cars, 90% of the race relies on the initial hit. He's in a low torque, fwd, and wasn't break boosting. The race was just how it should have been.
Get out of here with your intelligence and logic!

How is the car coming man?

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good kill.....maybe i can give it a shot at him
Your car too slow!
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Integra weighs 300-400lbs more than an EG Civic hatch.
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Originally Posted by sujomatt
Not anywhere close to what it should have been ... maybe a couple cars.. that civic is hit, or he can't drive or spun and needs tires..
theres no way that car was making 320 it woulda been ahead of the ta power to weight
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Originally Posted by Captain_Stabbin
theres no way that car was making 320 it woulda been ahead of the ta power to weight
I won't say it'd win but it sure would be a much more respectable death.

I raced my buddy's 410whp supercharged mustang GT when I was at 305whp and i weigh a couple hundred lbs more than the EG in the vid. I started passing him top of 4th and I didn't breakboost and was not in vtec from 50mph on crap tires.

I am just going by facts, unless that fbod has more power then you think. but it certainly looks like that civic is hit and he can't shift from what it sounded like in the vid (or at least i think thats how it sounded, watched it on my iphone lol)

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Originally Posted by lemons12
Really? I am going to assume that an integra and that hatch weigh within reason of each other... You made 283Whp and only trapped 112mph. You really think a couple hundred #s liter and only 20-40 more Whp would put it above 120+mph?
My race weight is 2800 lbs with me; full interior car trapped 113 at a later date at around 300whp.

With easily 500 lbs less and more power, hell yes that car should up near 120.

This has nothing to do with hondas. The math just doesnt make sense and people usually claim more then what they actually have. But anything can happen on the street I guess.
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Anyone ever think maybe the civic isn't making as much power as he said it was? Just my .02 cents. I used to have a built turbo civic, its what i started with when i got into cars, depending on the motor in the civic with no head work he'd be hard pressed to make that much on 15 pounds.

Like i said just my .02 cents
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Originally Posted by 96ssindeed
Anyone ever think maybe the civic isn't making as much power as he said it was?
Yes I agree with this.

No one is saying that the civic should have won with that power either, just that it should have been a lot closer if it was really putting down 320whp.

Good race non the less.
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Originally Posted by sujomatt
I won't say it'd win but it sure would be a much more respectable death.

I raced my buddy's 410whp supercharged mustang GT when I was at 305whp and i weigh a couple hundred lbs more than the EG in the vid. I started passing him top of 4th and I didn't breakboost and was not in vtec from 50mph on crap tires.
Unfortunately we never got a clean run in due to an unfortunate series of events lol. But yea, if you do the math and that civic was in fact making 320, it's power to weight would be better than the TA's at 450 whp. Granted all motor cars move the hell out on the hit, but the civic got spanked pretty good. He should get it dynoed and confirm what he thinks he's making.

By the way, the TA is a bad *** ride...is that SOM?
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Originally Posted by LightningTeg
My race weight is 2800 lbs with me; full interior car trapped 113 at a later date at around 300whp.

With easily 500 lbs less and more power, hell yes that car should up near 120.

This has nothing to do with hondas. The math just doesnt make sense and people usually claim more then what they actually have. But anything can happen on the street I guess.
The math doesn't make sense because dyno numbers without reference are pointless. What kind of dyno did each car dyno on, what was the weather like, what was the weight of each car, etc.

You want to do some math? You went 113mph with 300whp in a 2800lb car. I went 113mph with 303whp in a 3400lb car. Can you guess why?
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Originally Posted by NightmareTA
Unfortunately we never got a clean run in due to an unfortunate series of events lol. But yea, if you do the math and that civic was in fact making 320, it's power to weight would be better than the TA's at 450 whp. Granted all motor cars move the hell out on the hit, but the civic got spanked pretty good. He should get it dynoed and confirm what he thinks he's making.

By the way, the TA is a bad *** ride...is that SOM?
Yeah me and lemons and maybe one other buddy will be going to get on a dyno and get our tunes worked out within the month

and yes its SOM and thank you very much sir its pretty much my dream car

ask lemons how long hes heard me talk about my future SOM WS6 lol

heres a link with some pics and mods

https://ls1tech.com/forums/multimedi...w-som-ws6.html

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Originally Posted by geoffreymexico
yeah while they argue.............lol

get a video of that race im interested in seeing the outcome
yeah, last time we ran we did a 25 roll 3 times, him brake boosting hard. i had major traction issues and he'd jump about a car on the launch, but i ran him down every time. i wouldnt be suprised if he jumps out and i cant run him down this time



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