I actually like the look of the Challenger! ..... BUT.... Refuse to buy when I could get a Camaro SS.

 

Or you could get a used C6Z06 for the same price

 

Anything can happen.

But the camaro is the faster car with all things equal.

The camaro has went 12.5 stock. The challenger 12.9 last time I knew.

One is 41xx with 42x hp and one is 38xx lb with 42x hp.

Im not sure how some random video from Saudi Arabia proves anything?

 

Just because the best time is 12.5 dosent mean they all will run that come on now man you know this. Its like saying all Stock LS1 F-Bodys will run 12.80's. I have driven both, I have seen races with both and they are dead even, its a drivers race plain and simple.

10' SS: 3860 6.2L 422 hp
Challenger SRT8: 4140 lbs 6.1L 425 hp

Both Charger SRT8 and 300c SRT8 have been mid 12's stock with excellent drivers and great weather so Im sure a challenger could to if driven properly.
Both cars run high 12's with a great driver
Both cars will run like a low 13 second car with a good driver on the street

 

yea if it has 70K + miles on it!

 

LMAO, not anywhere close man! Look on the vette forums. There are tons of deals out there.

 

You can get a C6 Z for under 35k now?

 

yup, seen a 06Z with 20k on it go for $38,500. "Notraction" posted about one selling for $28k with 60k on it a few weeks ago. It is not even winter time yet. I will have to look at the vette forum again, but read where a guy got a damn steal at a dealer. I think it was a 06 with 14k on it, he got it for $34k.

Here is a link to a page on the vetteforum for what some guys bought their cars for. btw it was a 2006 with 11,000 miles on it for $38k. Sorry
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...-better-2.html

A loaded up camaro SS is pretty much $38-40k, so you can get a damn nice C6Z for the same price if not cheaper. Just wait till winter hits, that is what I am waiting for. I should be able to pick one up for low $30k's with less than 30k miles on it.

Btw nice Charger. Aren't they getting redesigned soon and getting a 6.4L in the SRT-8's? I haven't been following the dodge's has much as I should have.

 

I don't know about this video.

 

So the laws of physics dont apply to the hemi or what? the power to weight is an obvious advantage to the camaro.

and btw the LS3 is rated at 426hp in the camaro...not 422. And they usually put more power down to the wheels on average form what I have seen than the 6.1 hemi.

The car is about .2-.3 tenths faster than the srt-8 all things being equal.

And I never said they all run 12.5. I was mentioning best times for both. No challenger srt-8 has been faster than 12.9 last time I knew. And I know for a fact no srt-8 of any kind has been 12.5. The camaro is just plain faster all things equal.

And yes it is a close/drivers race. But the camaro is slightly faster. They have roughly the same power and the camaro is 300lbs lighter.

 

The fastest stock SRT8 time was by a 300c, its 12.56 @ 111.50 by a guy named brent eb02 on the 300c forums. It was in 40* weather if that matters. Others have gone 12.60's and 12.70's. Most normal drivers wont get under a 13.

Heres on video of a stock 300 doing 12.809 @109
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmRga89VQwk

 

An SS would beat any of those cars top end or from a roll.

 

Really? Because both cars trap in the 109-110 range with good drivers. Like I said its a drivers race, the 10' SS guys know it and I do to. I have raced two and neither could gain any ground on me. I won by a car up to 130 and they both were LS3's not L99's. I think we need to be more worried about that neither is as fast as the new 5.0 lol

 

man you guys have all the sick cars and the best videos

 

According to a video I watched yesterday you are wrong.

 

Well if this was Honda forums or something similar that is where it would end maybe, I don't know? It's not all about hp/weight, and since we're talking bhp here, what about drivetrain efficiency and gearing? What about torque under the curve and pretty much every factor OTHER than hp/weight? Suspension even. But I'm just playing devil's advocate and agree with you for the most part about the SS having an edge and 4100 lbs is a f***ing pig!

If all things were stock and equal drivers, I agree.
Hmmm, thought SS cars were trapping 111 in the 1320 regularly, wtf? You brought up the 300c earlier, but I think the fella was referring to the Challenger in particular, just saying. Also, everyone knows that SRT8s of any type (especially Charger cars) are fat, slow, ugly pigs jk.

Which proves that one car (with ? as a driver) edges out on another car (with Mr/Mrs X driving). I think it's interesting to note that both cars are proven to be stock and are both auto as well

*not being a dick, but seriously?

 

Not messing with the SS owners really. Its a drivers race between the cars really IMO. And if the SS is an auto its not an LS3 so I could really see that outcome.

 

6.1s put down 355 on the low end and 380rwhp on the high, stock. 370 seems average?

I would agree with this based on weight alone.


I don't think their is an efficiency difference although yes, a manual is better but no one has explained the difference with a lock-up torque converter. Gearing is pretty good for the quarter mile in the auto SRT-8, crossing the line in the meat of 3rd.

It seems more Camaros will consistently trap a hair higher than the SRT-8 but it is very very close or even if going from a roll depending upond starting speed/gearing.

One last thought - compare the 120" wheelbase of the LX and it's 4100lb+- curb weight to others and it's rather light for a 4-door.

 

There was a test drive vid of the Challenger on Motor Trend where the Dodge topped out at 170 stock. What does the Camaro top out at stock?

 

With the limiter taken off a bone stock camaro has gotten well over 180. 183 I think was what he got it to, might be a little more. But then again tuning that limiter out would mean it's not "stock" per say.

GM really limits the car aggressively after that truck lawsuit that they lost because the tires weren't rated for it. Better safe than sorry.