there are still bad drivers and slow reactions. and an extra couple hundred lbs of dead weight adds up. And again, i never said gearing wasnt important at all (i actually said it WAS) so im still not sure what youre trying to argue about.

 

I posted a roll as well, did you see my edit? What happened there? Same thing as the dig, LT1 walked away. Your theory works, to a point, I'm not arguing that. What I'm saying is that gearing is almost as important as weight & power. I guess torque means nothing (or very little) as well, right?

Driver mod is the #1 MOST IMPORTANT thing in any race, not hp or weight. Everything else comes afterward. Even in an auto v auto race, a bad driver could start in the wrong gear and skew the results.

 

In the dig, they both started at the same time. I'm 150lbs, so the weights aren't off each other by too much. (that LT1 weighs less than my car, the auto LS1 weighs more). Again, I'm arguing that you cannot say power & weight are the most important factors. The LS1 in my vids was so slow because of the 2.73 gears. He ran a 13.6@104 stock then a 13.6@106 with headers/lid/DRs/Y-pipe dumped (in MUCH better air). The gears are what is killing him.

 

never said it wasnt important. i even posted that the GTO driver = fail. read the posts before responding. I said the 5.0 (even automatic) is faster than the GTO but NOT 5-6cars faster. again, seems you just want to create something to argue about because youre not creating any new valid points that havent already been brought up. by me no less.

 

Take your own advice and read the thread. I said 5-6 cars was totally believable with a slow shift or two from the GTO. Also, I never said that you never said it wasn't important (again, read the thread). I was just saying that you are wrong about those 2 things being most important.

1. Driver mod
2. HP/TQ, weight, gearing, traction, suspension, etc.
........That's how it should look. Your method works decent for a roll race, but still doesn't tell the whole story.

Only thing I was arguing was your methodology of leaving other important factors out of your equation, not the topic of the thread itself.

 

if i brought it up already that means i didnt leave out the other factors! how can you not understand that!?! i also said the 5.0 makes more power AND its automatic (meaning fast shifts every single time and that transmission is geared very aggressively) i showed the power and weight difference to show that even with a perfect driver, the GTO would probably have an extremely miniscule chance to win this race. Everything you have brought up, i already took into account. Youre just arguing for the sake of arguing.

 

Not really, but you can continue to think that. My argument wasn't that you brought it up already or not, it was that your little equation you alwasy spout off leaves out important factors. Yes, you mentioned them earlier but I see you use this thing all the time, so I thought I would let you know to include other things, that's all.

In the beginning, I wasn't even arguing. You must be sitting on nails or something, because I wasn't trying to start anything at all. Take a chill pill guy, there's no bad blood on this end.

 

Far too often people bench race with weight/power as their evidence. They add a couple lb's here, subtract a couple lbs there, add a few hp here, subtract a few hp there. It all comes out looking great for their case.

 

the conspiracies continue !

i used approximate manufacturer curb weight and actual dyno numbers...

 

#1 how the hell did it get to be 5-6 cars? I originally posted 4-5 and then said its possible it was 3-4.

#2 my car isnt stock it has a tune so I dont know why everyone is arguing stock auto 5.0 vs stock gto.

#3 if anyone in the houston area with a stock GTO wants to replicate this race i'd be happy to get it on video, although im sure there would still be bickering about something.

 

IDK where you get your dyno numbers. I could play your game too.

GTO 3650 lbs Mustang 3650lbs
GTO 355whp Mustang auto 340whp
GTO 3.46 rear Mustang 3.31 rear

GTO should win EEE ZEEE.

 

Horse drawn carriage > Ford

 

i see, i thought you got the tune sometime after the race, my bad.

oh, looks like youre using a modded GTO dynojet numbers vs 5.0 with mustang dyno numbers thats cool, do what you want conspiracy boy! i like to use average numbers and not pick the highest from each car.The 5.0 still whooped on the goat pretty badly!

 

Modded? No just using my stock dyno sheet from a legit shop. And the same guys who use legit no bias dynos are putting down mid 350's in 6spd 5.0's. The autos are a solid 15whp below those numbers.

340whp is a very fair stock auto 5.0 dyno number.

And don't think I only target Mustangs. I busted a vendor on GTO forum so bad about their dyno numbers with factual proof with their own products. All my **** was promptly deleted and I was warned by the Admin... not a moderator... to quit playing internet investigator or I'd be banned.

Just more proof of the underhanded **** that goes on.

 

Who was it Ju1ce?

 

CSP and all their propaganda. They've gone from a misfit member that crashed his Vette at a GTO meet to the biggest most popular vendor on the board almost overnight.

Get this... Their ported LS2 intake mani/TB gained 20whp on their dyno LOL. This is the same guy that trapped 120mph in a "bone stock" LS3 Vette.

 

I could link you to the GTO forums, i'd like to see the hype 5.0 live against a 6.0 Goat so much BS about this car is not even funny. don't know how in the heck the hype makes it to LS1tech, but oh well.

Anyways, you should post the in LS1GTO.com that you tuned 5.$hit wants to race an LS2 Goat. lets see the bickering then....

4-6 cars ahead.... hahahahahahaha

 

Find me a stock one in houston id be more than happy to race.

It was a street race, I have no idea about the other car or how good a driver he was etc I was just saying what happened. Sure in a heads up race with a good driver I might not come back from 4 cars behind. I'm not saying the GTO sucks or is slow, I actually like them. I dont give 2 ***** whether anyone belives it or not and halfway just posted on here to see how big the thread would get.

Or we can all just internet bench race some more... at least it gives me something interesting to do at work.

 

all this because his 5.0 put a whoopin on an LS2 GTO? LOL wow

 

A well driven 6spd GTO should beat you from a roll.