Cobalt SS/TC Vs Cammed LS1 Camaro SS & Mild Bolt-On Stalled Z28
09-27-2011, 11:50 AM
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I thought the cammed SS would raped the Colbalt compared to the Z28. I want to see the SS and Z28 go at it. Good races though OP, you would have a nice advantage at a roll; oh **** flashback of the Cobalt SS/TC raping me at a roll in the highway few months back 
09-27-2011, 11:54 AM
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Bolt ons do nothing for a GM tuned Cobalt. Also stock trap speeds are more like 99-101. Your 103 is on the high side and is exactly what my buddies did stock for 1 pass after we tricked the computer. Then it was right back to 99-101 the rest of the night.
You tricked the computer, just admit it. There's like a dozen threads on the Cobalt board on how to do it to pick up a few MPH for 1 pass. Notice how all the fastest stock SS/TC's trap like 2-3mph slower on their backup pass.
You tricked the computer, just admit it. There's like a dozen threads on the Cobalt board on how to do it to pick up a few MPH for 1 pass. Notice how all the fastest stock SS/TC's trap like 2-3mph slower on their backup pass.
09-27-2011, 11:56 AM
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i have never ran a double digit trap.....EVER
its almost funny to hear that. id have lt1's on my *** if that was the case an it never was.
the car is consistant and i can drive it, dare i say, like juice drives his goat.
09-27-2011, 02:20 PM
#46
Me and the cammed SS race goes like this.
He doesn't get a good launch I jump out a couple cars and he starts reeling me back in but never gets it done.
He gets a decent launch and gets me by a fender.
If he got a hard launch and didn't spin he would get me by a car or so.
09-27-2011, 02:22 PM
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That cam is smaller then the MS3 and those cars run there *** off top end. I think your making crappy excuses for poor driving. Your setup should easily net you 116mph trap speeds which should easily pull that cobalt from a roll.
Id learn to drive before i start throwing parts at it to bandaid the problem. Maybe even look at a re-tune if your having driveability issues.
Id learn to drive before i start throwing parts at it to bandaid the problem. Maybe even look at a re-tune if your having driveability issues.
Second, his car will trap nowhere near 116 at our altitude.
Third, the car pulls hard in the powerband, its just very narrow and only good for screaming above 4500 RPMs. No amount of learning how to drive or tuning will change that...
09-27-2011, 02:28 PM
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Do you know how turbos work? Pressure ratio, meaning they take the incoming air and compound it.
When the air at the inlet is 3-4lbs higher the engine will see much more air than it would at higher altitude.
Long story short, boosted vehicles dont gain as much but there is still a big gain.
and that's not theory either. I've taken boosted vehicles from here to sea level and vice versa. I know the difference it makes.
09-27-2011, 02:44 PM
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FIrst I will say that I do agree with some of what you said, but I don't think that is grammatically correct. How can you say they don't gain as much, but in the same sentence say there is still a big gain?
09-27-2011, 02:50 PM
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You are dead wrong, and you obviously have zero experience with this.
Do you know how turbos work? Pressure ratio, meaning they take the incoming air and compound it.
When the air at the inlet is 3-4lbs higher the engine will see much more air than it would at higher altitude.
Long story short, boosted vehicles dont gain as much but there is still a big gain.
and that's not theory either. I've taken boosted vehicles from here to sea level and vice versa. I know the difference it makes.
Do you know how turbos work? Pressure ratio, meaning they take the incoming air and compound it.
When the air at the inlet is 3-4lbs higher the engine will see much more air than it would at higher altitude.
Long story short, boosted vehicles dont gain as much but there is still a big gain.
and that's not theory either. I've taken boosted vehicles from here to sea level and vice versa. I know the difference it makes.
Oh the Irony is killing me.
09-27-2011, 03:10 PM
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Not trying to pick on you, but here is the thing. Yeah, roll races may not be your cup of tea. I'll always be up for a dig race in any of my cars. With that being said, the guy that has to say a comment like that are insecure and don't want to get wacked by a fwd car from a roll. Anyone that is worth their salt would be willing to give a race and take a race to make it interesting.
09-27-2011, 03:10 PM
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Would it make you happy if I said it this way?
N/A going from here to sea level is a huge gain.
Turbo going from here to sea level is a big gain.
Juice the fact that you're trying to pick apart what I said just proves you can't dispute it, because you have no experience.
What I originally said still stands, no matter how hard it is for you to comprehend. It's not as big of a gain as N/A but still a big gain.
09-27-2011, 03:13 PM
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You guys are arguing semantics now lol.
Would it make you happy if I said it this way?
N/A going from here to sea level is a huge gain.
Turbo going from here to sea level is a big gain.
Juice the fact that you're trying to pick apart what I said just proves you can't dispute it, because you have no experience.
What I originally said still stands, no matter how hard it is for you to comprehend. It's not as big of a gain as N/A but still a big gain.
Would it make you happy if I said it this way?
N/A going from here to sea level is a huge gain.
Turbo going from here to sea level is a big gain.
Juice the fact that you're trying to pick apart what I said just proves you can't dispute it, because you have no experience.
What I originally said still stands, no matter how hard it is for you to comprehend. It's not as big of a gain as N/A but still a big gain.
<-------goes to look up this "fool the PC" shenanigans
09-27-2011, 03:14 PM
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Not trying to pick on you, but here is the thing. Yeah, roll races may not be your cup of tea. I'll always be up for a dig race in any of my cars. With that being said, the guy that has to say a comment like that are insecure and don't want to get wacked by a fwd car from a roll. Anyone that is worth their salt would be willing to give a race and take a race to make it interesting.
It's just not my preferred method of racing...
and when someone says something like this car should pull that one from a roll yadda yadda yadda in reference to the powerband of a cam. They are completely missing the point that was trying to be made. It's ricer math.
Of course the if you start a roll from 5000 RPMs the car with too big of a cam is going to do better than a dig. That's not the point. The point is the cam is a piece of **** for anywhere except screaming RPMs.
M29Formula is cool and will race from a dig / roll whatever. In fact most of his races are from a dig. So I was not referring to him.
I am referring to those geniuses who base a cars performance solely on how it pulls from a roll. Which is the most narrow minded pathetic and ricer thing you can do.
A RWD V8 car is made to go from a dig. Thats why I can **** people off who trap higher than me. Sticky tires plus a stall jumps them out of the hole and they never catch me. Period.