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Old 10-04-2011, 09:29 PM
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Muscle beats import everytime.

I wonder how the Viper would do against an intake/tune C6Z.
Old 10-04-2011, 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Mach Boy
Muscle beats import everytime.

I wonder how the Viper would do against an intake/tune C6Z.
I don't know about that. He's gotten his *** whooped by quite a few imports.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIYWY...el_video_title

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bowZO...el_video_title

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aouxb...el_video_title


Hmmm..... And those are his own videos.
Old 10-04-2011, 10:52 PM
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I forgot the quotation marks. That was meant to be sarcastic.
Old 10-04-2011, 10:53 PM
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Actually i beat the superlegerra on the second run in that vid. First run im at 450 and second run im at 500 rwhp.

Yep those are my vids. Win or lose I post them up. No shame
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Win is a win I guess. You did catch me off guard with a quick honk, and I did call you out on that. I did say if I were honking, 10 out of 10 you wouldn't be able to replicate your vid. With absolutely no mods from our previous runs of me beating you buy a car and a half, it is not likely you'd magically pull me by a car half. But if you watch your vid carefully, you'll see I covered your car half lead by the end of the race. You are now on the tires I've been telling you to get for sometime now. And your lower end traction issues have been taken care of so you might be closer now. We'll see.
Old 10-05-2011, 04:07 AM
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Yes. Will be fun
Old 10-05-2011, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by FEARSM
The Supra is 3450 stock, not 3550...
I believe it's closer to 3500-3525 lb. Range. I think the hard tops are closer to 3400-3475.
Old 10-05-2011, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Killemall
Fine fearsm than the vipers dry weight is 3290 not 3390...

Bottom line is you saw the result wich mirrered my car at 450 vs yours at 550
15 psi on a non billet 67mm is NOT 550rwhp on Supra with an automatic transmission. If you knew anything about turbos you would know that isnt possible. And we both know I was running 15 psi..just like I said I would. Hell your own post tells the truth. The Supra in this video was running the exact same size turbo as I was. In fact his billet 67mm turbo is much more powerful than the one I had then. So please explain how a 6 spd car with a more powerful turbo is making 500 rwhp at 15 psi but I was making 550-600 in an AUTOMATIC with a 3800 stall with a less powerful turbo? I will be back up soon. Run what you brung this time. Not handicapping my car for you anymore...

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Old 10-05-2011, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by RSKY
I believe it's closer to 3500-3525 lb. Range. I think the hard tops are closer to 3400-3475.
No its not. Hardtops are 3300 or so. I have WEIGHED 3 different stock Supras at the track. When I raced here in the Toyota Import races we had to get weighed. You can also check on MKIV.com or Supraforums for the correct stock weight.
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Old 10-05-2011, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by FEARSM
No its not. Hardtops are 3300 or so. I have WEIGHED 3 different stock Supras at the track. When I raced here in the Toyota Import races we had to get weighed. You can also check on MKIV.com or Supraforums for the correct stock weight.
I've never had the opportunity to weigh my supra, but it wasn't bone stock when I got it so it doesn't matter. But the numbers I am getting are from Steve theodores website http://suprahardtopregistry.com/. In a thread on sf, he explains in detail that he weighed his supra hardtop and it weighed in at 3475. Also he goes through each weight reduction and how much each went down. I'm sure you've seen that. I've searched and I haven't seen stock weight of a tt targa. But I would assume that the hardtop would be considerably lighter than a targa. Was your supra stock at the time?
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Originally Posted by RSKY
I've never had the opportunity to weigh my supra, but it wasn't bone stock when I got it so it doesn't matter. But the numbers I am getting are from Steve theodores website http://suprahardtopregistry.com/. In a thread on sf, he explains in detail that he weighed his supra hardtop and it weighed in at 3475. Also he goes through each weight reduction and how much each went down. I'm sure you've seen that. I've searched and I haven't seen stock weight of a tt targa. But I would assume that the hardtop would be considerably lighter than a targa. Was your supra stock at the time?
Yep, it was stock. So was Kimo's and Mike Ji's. We all raced that day. Mike's and Kimos were 3550 and 3580 because of the SOUNDS they had. My sounds were ligher and simpler. We all had just done a car show the week before and did not take anything out of the cars.
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Originally Posted by Red_GHost
Good kill. I agree his boost lag killed him, but he better gain some more top end with the E85. That viper is no slouch. How much whp do u guys think that supra can pick up with the e85?
Here's an example:

Back to the E85 discussion. I have a close friend that converted his single 61mm turbo Supra over to E85. Before, he was making 442whp @18psi on 93 octane. After, added SoundPerformance stand-a-lone ECU and fuel system, is now making 667whp @31psi on E85. Same turbo. His E85 conversion gained him 13psi and 225whp.
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Originally Posted by R6cowboy
His E85 conversion gained him 13psi and 225whp.
His boost didn't change from the fuel change, he was just more confident in running high psi. He could have run the same 31psi on pump gas with a bunch of timing removed and made a lot more power than he did with a measly 18psi.

I run 30psi on pump gas, switching to E85 certainly isn't going to gain me 225whp. 80-100whp from the added timing if i'm lucky.
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Originally Posted by Beans
His boost didn't change from the fuel change, he was just more confident in running high psi. He could have run the same 31psi on pump gas with a bunch of timing removed and made a lot more power than he did with a measly 18psi.

I run 30psi on pump gas, switching to E85 certainly isn't going to gain me 225whp. 80-100whp from the added timing if i'm lucky.
No kidding, I already knew that. You are right. I just previously mentioned an actual real life example. What his Supra was running before, then what it's running now after Sound Performance installed the standalone with E85 and the fuel system. I didn't want to get into the whole "what he COULD'VE run before" ****.
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Im predicting a solid 650 rwhp supra showing up for the next race on e85.

Think starting at 60 mph ill jump out on him from 60-90. Then from 90 till 120 hell be creepin up on me and at 130 he will pass me and be 1-1. 5 cars ahead by 140.

Im gonna have my top down so the video man can get some crazy footage when the supra stars creepin back up. Daytime fotage
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Originally Posted by Killemall
Im gonna have my top down so the video man can get some crazy footage when the supra stars creepin back up. Daytime fotage
One thing about your videos is the footage is always good. I don't say much in your threads but i watch every video. Find more things to race lol
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killemall, what do you have done to the viper? car looks awesome and nice videos.
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Intake only.... J/k

Intake/roller rocker/titanium exhaust/cat delete/light weight fly wheel/light weight crank pully/mild factory camshaft (8 hp) and mail order tune.

Headers throttle body and dyno tune gonna wake this beotch up!

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Old 10-07-2011, 05:44 PM
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I dont get most "Big Turbo" guys.
This is what I would do...
I have "X" car, i want 600hp. So ill go with a turbo that would max out around 650-700hp.
Seems like most guys that want "600" opt for a 800hp turbo, the Result, Massive lag. Im i wrong here????
And Im pretty sure that with a Meth Kit, the supra would hang


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