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02-06-2012, 12:11 PM
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now, i will say this. if a person knows what there doing, has a GSR engine a good turbo setup and a 57 trim then yes. 300whp on 10psi is do able. as you can see here. stock gsr. 57 trim. 9 psi right at the 300whp mark. but not 350whp. and this is the highest horsepower b series besides the pretty rare type r setup.
http://www.dynamotorsports.ca/dynogr...JDMRHDGSRT.jpg
my i also add. all dynos im posting, are setups after being fully dyno tuned at whatever shop it was. so. your average street tuner probably wont make that peak number.
i understand the argument but to say i know nothing of hondas is pretty far fetched.. ive got some good knowledge of them+a few years in school+a few in the shop.
http://www.dynamotorsports.ca/dynogr...JDMRHDGSRT.jpg
my i also add. all dynos im posting, are setups after being fully dyno tuned at whatever shop it was. so. your average street tuner probably wont make that peak number.
i understand the argument but to say i know nothing of hondas is pretty far fetched.. ive got some good knowledge of them+a few years in school+a few in the shop.
02-06-2012, 12:13 PM
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i guess where i didnt clarify was. (ive built and tuned all my hondas..) most hondas you see on the street. ARE NOT properly setup turbo cars. this is just the usual case as even custom x said most of the cars he sees come in. its a bolt on turbo kit and go kind of thing. usually at 10psi. they have it there because they are afraid of blowing internals. now yes. you have some people. with a large turbo (for a honda) 35r. that will do the rarity and make big power on low psi. but that is not the norm that i have seen time and time again.
dohc honda motors make 180hp tops(exc type r,k series, h series) add a turbo on 10psi. estimate way out of its efficiency what mabye 10 hp per psi?... 280hp its putting mid 200s to the wheels. if we lived in a perfect world.. that 35r build is not normal of hondas. just like the 6265 turbos arent normal. however they are perfect for these setups, most kids racing you on the street are running shitty spooling ebay 57 trims. i know i used to do it.
d series i know. but still.
http://www.go-autoworks-store.com/gosostkitw57.html
e85 and 14psi
http://www.go-autoworks-store.com/gomiramcotrd.html
if you do that in a bseries, at 10psi its more common to be on the high side of the 200s. but 300 is not normal at 10 on a 57. personally thats just what im seeing after years of watching and tuning and looking at these things
(not attacking anyone for this, just seeing if my information that ive collected is that wrong id like to be corrected with proof)
dohc honda motors make 180hp tops(exc type r,k series, h series) add a turbo on 10psi. estimate way out of its efficiency what mabye 10 hp per psi?... 280hp its putting mid 200s to the wheels. if we lived in a perfect world.. that 35r build is not normal of hondas. just like the 6265 turbos arent normal. however they are perfect for these setups, most kids racing you on the street are running shitty spooling ebay 57 trims. i know i used to do it.
d series i know. but still.
http://www.go-autoworks-store.com/gosostkitw57.html
e85 and 14psi
http://www.go-autoworks-store.com/gomiramcotrd.html
if you do that in a bseries, at 10psi its more common to be on the high side of the 200s. but 300 is not normal at 10 on a 57. personally thats just what im seeing after years of watching and tuning and looking at these things
(not attacking anyone for this, just seeing if my information that ive collected is that wrong id like to be corrected with proof)
02-06-2012, 12:24 PM
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well im from arkansas. lol
but i have raced all around these states.
i just dont see how 350whp could be the normal from 10psi on a 57 trim...
your talking about picking up. 21hp/psi in the non efficient range of the turbo, on a 1.8l motor.... that seems far fetched.
but i have raced all around these states.
i just dont see how 350whp could be the normal from 10psi on a 57 trim...
your talking about picking up. 21hp/psi in the non efficient range of the turbo, on a 1.8l motor.... that seems far fetched.
02-06-2012, 12:28 PM
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350whp on a 57 trim is a cake walk with a properly setup kit.
First google hit, 440whp 16psi 57trim stock gsr with 175k miles on e85
http://marketplace.honda-tech.com/sh....php?t=2564039
Ill see if I can find my old dyno from about 6 yrs ago, stock block/head ls vtec with just forged pistons and rods it made 430whp on 17psi pump gas on a 57trim
EDIT: Bingo!
http://marketplace.honda-tech.com/sh....php?t=2564039
First google hit, 440whp 16psi 57trim stock gsr with 175k miles on e85
http://marketplace.honda-tech.com/sh....php?t=2564039
Ill see if I can find my old dyno from about 6 yrs ago, stock block/head ls vtec with just forged pistons and rods it made 430whp on 17psi pump gas on a 57trim
EDIT: Bingo!
http://marketplace.honda-tech.com/sh....php?t=2564039
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02-06-2012, 12:35 PM
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well, in this case i think our biggest difference is you keep saying properly setup kit lol. which is probably what the normal honda driver doesnt have... is that too much to say?... yes there are the exceptions, your comparing a e85 16psi build that made 440whp on a pretty pennied turbo kit.. so yes with a proper setup kit, you can make 350whp on 10psi on a gsr motor. but that is not the norm... i feel like we just went in a circle and had a huge off topic about nothing in reality lol. i think we both just misunderstood what the others meaning of proper turbo setup is...
02-06-2012, 12:38 PM
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going through that.... it looks like we are both right? lol..... most of the 10psi gsr stuff is only at the 300whp area like i was stating..... but. i guess every setup is different and every dyno is different.
and might i also add. a SOHC or b18b or b16 will make significantly less than the gsr.
going through that.... it looks like we are both right? lol..... most of the 10psi gsr stuff is only at the 300whp area like i was stating..... but. i guess every setup is different and every dyno is different.
and might i also add. a SOHC or b18b or b16 will make significantly less than the gsr.
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02-06-2012, 12:44 PM
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so personally if a honda says hes only runing 10psi. dont fret. ull prolly beat him. lol. the guys making power are running 20+psi and look stock.
i understand psi means nothing, turbo size is everything. however. hondas have a limit on what size turbo they can use, and the ones that are seen most often are 50 and 57 trim and 60-1 turbos. and at 10psi would prolly net you in the mid 200whp. just the common setup your gonna see.
i understand psi means nothing, turbo size is everything. however. hondas have a limit on what size turbo they can use, and the ones that are seen most often are 50 and 57 trim and 60-1 turbos. and at 10psi would prolly net you in the mid 200whp. just the common setup your gonna see.
I was just proving that a 57 trim on a honda is going to net you alot higher then mid 200's, I don't care how crappy the setup is. A 50 trim on the other hand thats possibly with a crappy setup. Ive seen 50 trims break into the 300's on 10 psi
02-06-2012, 12:47 PM
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http://www.phearable.net/about.html
going through that.... it looks like we are both right? lol..... most of the 10psi gsr stuff is only at the 300whp area like i was stating..... but. i guess every setup is different and every dyno is different.
and might i also add. a SOHC or b18b or b16 will make significantly less than the gsr.
going through that.... it looks like we are both right? lol..... most of the 10psi gsr stuff is only at the 300whp area like i was stating..... but. i guess every setup is different and every dyno is different.
and might i also add. a SOHC or b18b or b16 will make significantly less than the gsr.
**** I did lol. Here we go
http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=1985698
Was a basic cheap setup. I probably had 5k into the car including the cost of the car and it was a solid 131mph car. I put 40k miles on that setup before selling it
02-06-2012, 12:50 PM
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then i think you sir have a heartwinning dyno....
where as i only see the heartbreaking ones lol
heres my idea of the common setup.
sohc or b18b
ebay 57 trim
log or cast manifold
good bov and WG.
2.5-3inch downpipe.
dsm-injectors
AFC hack tuned or self tuned on s300-neptune
that setup is not netting 350whp hell i would be shocked if it netted 280whp on 10psi.
(this is me trying to be less general) lol
where as i only see the heartbreaking ones lol
heres my idea of the common setup.
sohc or b18b
ebay 57 trim
log or cast manifold
good bov and WG.
2.5-3inch downpipe.
dsm-injectors
AFC hack tuned or self tuned on s300-neptune
that setup is not netting 350whp hell i would be shocked if it netted 280whp on 10psi.
(this is me trying to be less general) lol
02-06-2012, 01:07 PM
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then i think you sir have a heartwinning dyno....
where as i only see the heartbreaking ones lol
heres my idea of the common setup.
sohc or b18b
ebay 57 trim
log or cast manifold
good bov and WG.
2.5-3inch downpipe.
dsm-injectors
AFC hack tuned or self tuned on s300-neptune
that setup is not netting 350whp hell i would be shocked if it netted 280whp on 10psi.
(this is me trying to be less general) lol
where as i only see the heartbreaking ones lol
heres my idea of the common setup.
sohc or b18b
ebay 57 trim
log or cast manifold
good bov and WG.
2.5-3inch downpipe.
dsm-injectors
AFC hack tuned or self tuned on s300-neptune
that setup is not netting 350whp hell i would be shocked if it netted 280whp on 10psi.
(this is me trying to be less general) lol
Nothing like "bolting on" 100hp Lmao! You didn't specify in your first post, you just said b series honda lol. A SOHC is a completely different engine. Nowadays you see alot more boosted Vtec setups then non-vtec or sohc setups. Most people with sohc turbo setups are new and dont have much knowledge or are just to broke to afford a dohc turbo setupK-series>B-series>18.5hp lawn tractor>SOHC haha
02-06-2012, 02:38 PM
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Not really. Any decent Prelude/Integra running 10psi+ is going to make very good power. There's just a lot of bad setups running around.
jk... 
02-06-2012, 04:23 PM
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I recently read a DSM thread where the guy was spooling a HX35 (not small lol) and making full boost around 3000rpm and running 10s on the stock block/trans/rear. Impressed me to say the least.
My first turbo setup on my stock B18B made 250whp @ 12psi, but remember theres a huge difference between the non vtec and vtec motors. Now at 15psi with basically just cams being the difference and a little bit bigger turbo =P I made 370whp, and thats enough for 500whp+ cobras.
The A typical 57trim, log manifold on a stock GSR will do 300whp @ 10-11psi, which is good for mid 12's, 113ish traps. But the guys who build cars right dont go out and brag about it, like me. I hardly ever take my car out to go "street racing". Just hang out with some friends and dick around occasionally and we all have cars that are similar in acceleration properties =P.
My first turbo setup on my stock B18B made 250whp @ 12psi, but remember theres a huge difference between the non vtec and vtec motors. Now at 15psi with basically just cams being the difference and a little bit bigger turbo =P I made 370whp, and thats enough for 500whp+ cobras.
The A typical 57trim, log manifold on a stock GSR will do 300whp @ 10-11psi, which is good for mid 12's, 113ish traps. But the guys who build cars right dont go out and brag about it, like me. I hardly ever take my car out to go "street racing". Just hang out with some friends and dick around occasionally and we all have cars that are similar in acceleration properties =P.
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