WhiteKnight '01

Well no 2v 4.6 is going to take on an LS1 and win, sorry. Even a bolt-on 4.6 will have a tough time.

85mustang351

Just messing with ya man. I used to have a 2v and it needed n2o to beat em.

marc97taws6

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Great kill!

He might have had a DD pulley on making smaller power and BSing. Tends to happen a lot

My LT1 surprised a friend's 95 Mustang GT with a Kenne Bell supercharger a lot. Back when I had Sumitomo's he only had me by a car at 110mph. Anything can happen on the street.

willizm

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pffft, LSwhatever. b16 pwns all

85mustang351

hell yea it does.

HioSSilver

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what about a zb2428532L.....jap spec ofcourse

peebzies

hahaha b16 power

Irunelevens

With a blown 2V, it's very hit or miss. Some run low pressure centrifugal blowers with stock gears that would be happy to run 12s. Some run the same blowers with more gear and/or more boost, and run way better. Then there's the roots and twin-screw cars that can also go either way. So good kill OP, never really know what you're gonna run into. But I think he was definitely over-selling his car.

LightningTeg

Its mustang syndrome. I've consistently noticed they need an extra 50-100whp on top of what you have in order to be competitive. 2v's, 3v's, cobras etc.

With the exception of pre SN95. Havent really seen enough coyotes to say the same.

Irunelevens

Yes and no... That really does depend on the setup. A naturally aspirated 310rwhp Mach 1 is going to be every bit as quick as a 310rwhp F-body. Boosted setups, it's a tossup.

85mustang351

Ive noticed that with the modular cars on here. My friend has a full bolt on geared tuned ls1 minus the ls6 intake with according to people on this site is around a 330-340 rwhp car I think I have maybe 20-30 more horespower than he does and I beat beat him like he owes me money. The coyotes seem like they are running faster than the cars with equal power. I saw a couple videos where bolt on 03/04 cobras were losing to pretty stock coyotes. The Mach's seem to hold their own

wicked383lt1

Don't termis come with more rwhp than machs do. Can you explain why a bolt-on termi would be less efficient than a n/a Mach.

why87

the thing about those coyotes though, is "pretty stock" coyotes could be a cold air intake and a tune. Their variable timing allows a tune to be ridiculously effective. thats why they can run low 12s "pretty stock". I have also noticed though a lot of the modular cars of similar power are still not as strong (less torque) as the ls v8s.

Sticks n Stones

I second that. I've seen anywhere from 290-310rwhp range for stock and catback/lid M6 cars. LS6 intake definitely helps and auto's take 10-15rwhp away.
Bingo, that tune is the key to those things: Ford made a near race engine when they made that Coyote, then tuned out alot of the ferocity to keep it tame for the 9 to 5'ers who would kill themselves with it otherwise. Toss in the fact that alot of guys would never admit to having it tuned and you see large variances in performance.

Stopsign32v

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weight and gearing

92cobranotch

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stock mach 1s suck *** compared to termi with equal driver. termis would go high 12s stock where mach 1s run mid to high 13s, both in stock form. bolt a pulley on a termi and watch it go 11s. mach 1 needs alot to go 11s

RidinDirty802

Good to know, I was wondering what my LS1 made for stock power.

willizm

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I gotta agree with this. Nothing against Mach1's, but you can't beat starting with a factory boosted car like a termi. Out the box they are faster and even then you can't compare $ for $ as the termi responds so well to basic bolt ons, pulley and tune.

92cobranotch

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yea man, and its not because i own one. they do need about 50 hp more than comparative ls1 to out run the ls1. but a mach isnt in the same leauge. a mach will get its *** handed to it by a termi with 373s and a cat back. mach with full bolt ons and 456s

92cobranotch

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Do you realize this is a horrible comparison? lol thats comparing a stock ls1 slp car to a full bolt on geared mach 1. its sad that it takes this to keep up with gm guys lol