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Old 03-12-2012, 10:45 AM
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I've see some bolt-on 911's with uprgraded turbos make in the 590-600ish range. Im sure If it were one at that power level, it would give a stock ZR1 a fit. No denying they can be fast but **** they are expensive. If its really a ZR1, full exhast, pulley, and a tune and that run would have been far worse the other way around......
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Well the 911 has been barking up my tree for 2 weeks now to run. Been avoiding him since my tune was off and I had major belt slippage (which I just recently fixed -- thank god).
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Originally Posted by LT/LS Guy
Correct, and the ZR1 has went 10.60 stock and trapped 134 stock. It is, indeed faster than a PDK 911, especially from a roll.
One thing you have to understand is a 911 turbo can consistently Do high 10's in the 1/4 compared to the ZR1 which needs a good driver. There is a lot more driver involvement with the ZR1 which can lead to failure especially when going against cars that have precise shifts like the 911 and the GT-R.

Also if that Turbo S is tuned the ZR1 would have some serious issues running it.
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Both cars had a VBox on the windshield. Guarantee he logged those times on his computer.
Get those stats from him if you want to find out if it's stock or not.


1/4 mile times won't matter much in a 60-130. Find those numbers out if you want your answer.
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Originally Posted by TheHitman
One thing you have to understand is a 911 turbo can consistently Do high 10's in the 1/4 compared to the ZR1 which needs a good driver. There is a lot more driver involvement with the ZR1 which can lead to failure especially when going against cars that have precise shifts like the 911 and the GT-R.
This! If both cars are run at 100%, the ZR1 will win. But to reinforce what TheHitman said, the Porsche is more consistent running closer to 100% than the ZR1. Look at it this way.....the Porsche will run anywhere from 90-100% of what it's capable of every time it races. The ZR1, relying more on driver skill(traction, shift points, launch, amongst weight, aerodynamics), is more likely to run 70-100% every time it races. That's up to 30% more error probability compared to, a possible max, 5% margin of victory for the ZR1. Which results in a much lessened chance of winning.
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i have to agree with everything said above...i believe that 911 turbo-s was modded...it ran a 10.7@128.9 according to ROAD & TRACK...and a 2.6-2.8 0-60mph...yes i know were talking roll racing here, but that 911 is incredible...and kyle lammish i believe got a 10.33 out a ZR1 on DR's...the tranny and all-wheel drive attribute all the 911 has over the 'vette...

who the hell puts in a IRS for better times ????
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IDK bro, it maybe that IRS:Christ edition. I hear those pull off some impossible ****.....lowlz
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So....

Should I even try to race the porsche in my 605rwhp SS? Or just kind of shrug him off until my new 8 rib conversion and smaller pulley get here?
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Originally Posted by LT/LS Guy
I think you missed my point. I was talking in terms of fastest 1/4 mile times for both cars, not "shitty driver in Corvette vs. AWD car with launch control". Point is, you put a good driver behind the wheel of both and the ZR1 takes the cake by about .2/4-6 mph.

Don't get me wrong, the 911 Turbo S is a monster. I would love to own one one day after I buy my first ZR1. lol
We aren't talking shitty driver either. An Average ZR1 driver would have issues with a stock 911 Turbo, both on stock rubber on the street from a dig and even to an extent from a roll. If the 911 is even tuned it would give it a marked advantage over the ZR1.

The other thing is just because 2 or 3 people have dipped into the 10's with the ZR1 in negative DA doesn't mean everyone will or can dip into the 10's.
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Originally Posted by 2SSARME
So....

Should I even try to race the porsche in my 605rwhp SS? Or just kind of shrug him off until my new 8 rib conversion and smaller pulley get here?
What does your car trap at the track?
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Originally Posted by IronOutlaw
What does your car trap at the track?
No tracks here anymore. Just good ole streets. Back when there was track it trapped 118 with cam only @430rwhp. Now its at 605rwhp~.
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I think you should run the Porsche on a low speed roll where you have some traction. Give him the hit and never take off so he gets hot on the second run where you go for real
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Originally Posted by Mike Morris
I think you should run the Porsche on a low speed roll where you have some traction. Give him the hit and never take off so he gets hot on the second run where you go for real
LOL good strategy.
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I say run him. What do you have to lose? IMO, you're the underdog so it's either lose, like he expects or win and upset him to no end. It could be closer than he thinks.
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Originally Posted by TheHitman
LOL good strategy.
That's a bad strategy. If you run too low, he has a boost up (can't remember the exact name for it) option which basically bumps the torque to 500 for 10 seconds at the switch of a button. If you run him too low he will pull very hard and especially if you lose boost, traction, or shift a tad too slow. Remember you're going against AWD, TT, and twin clutch transmission. If I were you I would run from a 60 roll and let the power do the talking.
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Originally Posted by LT/LS Guy
I knew this was going to turn into you discrediting the ALMIGHTY ZR1 somehow, that's why I was hesitant to make my first comment. LOL

In any event, doesn't matter how many people have gotten into the 10's bone-stock. Fact is, they have gone faster than an AWD, Launch Control-equipped 911 Turbo S PDK with the traditional rear-wheel drive layout. Sort of like your C5 but better. Nothing more to be said really.

I'm not picking at the ZR1. Let's leave it at that.
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Well if you run him and its close or u win. Then you know your dyno numbers are accurate. If you get dragged, then the dyno is off. Lol

No reason a 600+rwhp 5th Gen shouldnt be trapping in the 128mph range...
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Originally Posted by GotHemi?
Well if you run him and its close or u win. Then you know your dyno numbers are accurate. If you get dragged, then the dyno is off. Lol

No reason a 600+rwhp 5th Gen shouldnt be trapping in the 128mph range...
Lots are in the 130s. But I'm handicapped by my fatass 21s, which are going out soon. ANd streets here are a POS.
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HITMAN & LT/LS GUY both have it right...very hard to run consistently with a ZR1 or Z06...lot of props to those that did...the TURBO-S & GTR are basically driving themselves...me , i would even things up...run slicks on the ZR1...even DR's...takes a lot of talent to run with a twin clutch twin turbo awd...again, i still believe that the turbo-s was modded...in the beginning of the video the ZR1 was ahead and then the 911 pulled past him and seemed to me to keep on pulling ????....from a ZR1 ????...and that 911 sounded pretty loud....overall i would take a ZR1 anyday...hell i'd take a grand sport over that 911...lolol..
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2SSARME...run him, nothing to losing to a near $200,000 car, mainly when we believe that it's modded...hope you take him...get it on video...


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