5.0 vs ZL1
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08-24-2012, 11:45 AM
#222
are you guys done yet? When we people understand that lap times are nothing more then a sales pitch..
Heres an example: The LS boss lap times were conviently 2 seconds slower then the original bosses testing. And the LS boss comes with COMP tires from the factory. The ZL1 beat the LS boss by 2 seconds on test (when the boss magically was 2 seconds slower). Now the 1LE has beaten it by 4 seconds. Does that mean the 1LE would yank the ZL1 around a track too? Its the same suspension, same chasis, with 160 less hp... and somethow faster? All these track test times are literally just marketing. I pay no attention to it even though others strive off it.
What i do know is that, get in the passenger seat of my car and let me take you down some twisties in the back roads... ill have your eye ***** sucked out the side of your head... then tell me all about "test lap times"
Honestly... i hope the ZL1 is legitamately faster then the boss around a track. Im not going to be butt hurt if it is. Hell its such a fail in a straight line it better torch it through the curves. If the ILE is truly 4 seconds faster, then that means its faster then the ZL1. Either way... all these comparisons are paid for sales pitches.... bmw does it, ford does it, chevy does it. I have yet to see any REAL comparisons of the cars.
The only thing i can say in the bosses defense about beating the m3 on the track. It wasnt a one pass wonder where car and driver tested both cars. It was quite literally built at the road course...They started with a 3v GT and worked off that... eventually did the motor swap (which btw most of this cars lap time comes from the motor and its endless ability to rev).
Heres an example: The LS boss lap times were conviently 2 seconds slower then the original bosses testing. And the LS boss comes with COMP tires from the factory. The ZL1 beat the LS boss by 2 seconds on test (when the boss magically was 2 seconds slower). Now the 1LE has beaten it by 4 seconds. Does that mean the 1LE would yank the ZL1 around a track too? Its the same suspension, same chasis, with 160 less hp... and somethow faster? All these track test times are literally just marketing. I pay no attention to it even though others strive off it.
What i do know is that, get in the passenger seat of my car and let me take you down some twisties in the back roads... ill have your eye ***** sucked out the side of your head... then tell me all about "test lap times"
Honestly... i hope the ZL1 is legitamately faster then the boss around a track. Im not going to be butt hurt if it is. Hell its such a fail in a straight line it better torch it through the curves. If the ILE is truly 4 seconds faster, then that means its faster then the ZL1. Either way... all these comparisons are paid for sales pitches.... bmw does it, ford does it, chevy does it. I have yet to see any REAL comparisons of the cars.
The only thing i can say in the bosses defense about beating the m3 on the track. It wasnt a one pass wonder where car and driver tested both cars. It was quite literally built at the road course...They started with a 3v GT and worked off that... eventually did the motor swap (which btw most of this cars lap time comes from the motor and its endless ability to rev).
08-24-2012, 11:50 AM
#223
I just want to point out the 1LE is 300lbs lighter, far less nose heavy, with closer transmission ratios, 3.91 gears, and the same suspension and tires. So yea I would expect it to turn similar or better lap times especially on a track that doesn't have long straight a ways. With the close gearing and 3.91s, combined with the 300lbs weight reduction it's going to make up alot of the power difference coming out of corners even if it will lose a straight roll with the ZL1.
08-24-2012, 11:52 AM
#224
its the same weight as the SS. The ss was absolutely embarrassed by the boss. I find it hard to believe that a rear gear adjustment and some different springs/shocks.... would not only completely close the gap... but put it 4 seconds ahead. Regardless... i didnt buy this car to go road racing.. I bought it for the motor. Theres a reason the crate boss motor costs 6k more then the crate coyote motor.
Not to mention the 2013 Boss comes in significantly more expensive at $42,200 than the 1LE at $37,035
I'm not hating on the Boss, It's a quick car. I would consider a 14 mustang when they get IRS.
Last edited by 409CISecondGen; 08-24-2012 at 12:01 PM.
08-24-2012, 12:02 PM
#226
It may actually out handle the ZL1 in an auto X... but its going to be hard to trump the extra 160hp on the straights in a road course. To the point where the slight advantage it would have in the corners wont make up for it
08-24-2012, 12:02 PM
#227
08-24-2012, 12:05 PM
#228
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I just want to point out the 1LE is 300lbs lighter, far less nose heavy, with closer transmission ratios, 3.91 gears, and the same suspension and tires. So yea I would expect it to turn similar or better lap times especially on a track that doesn't have long straight a ways. With the close gearing and 3.91s, combined with the 300lbs weight reduction it's going to make up alot of the power difference coming out of corners even if it will lose a straight roll with the ZL1.
its the same weight as the SS. The ss was absolutely embarrassed by the boss. I find it hard to believe that a rear gear adjustment and some different springs/shocks.... would not only completely close the gap... but put it 4 seconds ahead. Regardless... i didnt buy this car to go road racing.. I bought it for the motor. Theres a reason the crate boss motor costs 6k more then the crate coyote motor.
http://youtu.be/Jr3SwDviPQ0
If anything it's a embarasment for the Boss, which is the best handleing Muststang that the average 2yr old camaro stayed that close.
08-24-2012, 12:07 PM
#229
Staging Lane
All joking aside, 1LE actually impresses me for what it is. Finally a 5th gen with some weight reduction. These 5th gens are ******* impressive with power, it's what people don't seem to grasp since so many kids run around with CAI only thinking they have a race car. Strap a shot or FI on these cars and they're deadly. ZL1 is just a failure because well GM is a failure.
I've invested about 25k in my car and I would grab a ZL1 and make it cry like a bitch. And I'm at full weight (39xxlbs). All I gotta do is swap my front tires to skinnies, drop my exhaust, take passenger seat and back seats out and I'll be around 37xx. Some other creative steps and I can be at 36xx. Catch me then.
I've invested about 25k in my car and I would grab a ZL1 and make it cry like a bitch. And I'm at full weight (39xxlbs). All I gotta do is swap my front tires to skinnies, drop my exhaust, take passenger seat and back seats out and I'll be around 37xx. Some other creative steps and I can be at 36xx. Catch me then.
08-24-2012, 12:12 PM
#230
All joking aside, 1LE actually impresses me for what it is. Finally a 5th gen with some weight reduction. These 5th gens are ******* impressive with power, it's what people don't seem to grasp since so many kids run around with CAI only thinking they have a race car. Strap a shot or FI on these cars and they're deadly. ZL1 is just a failure because well GM is a failure.
Bottom Line: I really think GM should have spent about 5K more on both the ZL1 and the 1LE. They should have given the ZL1 the LS9 and the 1LE about 150lbs of weight reduction and a few more hp.
08-24-2012, 12:15 PM
#231
Staging Lane
It doesn't have weight reduction. It's the same weight as the SS. I think if GM had fund 100-200lbs to cut off it I would be in the dealership today. It comes in 5K more than the 5.0 and 5K less than a Boss.
Bottom Line: I really think GM should have spent about 5K more on both the ZL1 and the 1LE. They should have given the ZL1 the LS9 and the 1LE about 150lbs of weight reduction and a few more hp.
Bottom Line: I really think GM should have spent about 5K more on both the ZL1 and the 1LE. They should have given the ZL1 the LS9 and the 1LE about 150lbs of weight reduction and a few more hp.
GM sucks again.
LS9 in ZL1 and LS7 in 1LE, but at those prices you can't stick those motors in.
08-24-2012, 12:17 PM
#232
3650lbs/505hp=7.23lbs per hp
4150lbs/580hp=7.15lbs per hp
Being 400lbs lighter with better gearing and the same tires, a lightened 1LE with an LS7 would destroy the ZL1 in the 1/4 mile. Not to mention dry sump fixing the aforementioned oil starvation issues and getting far better gas mileage to boot.
Last edited by 409CISecondGen; 08-24-2012 at 12:22 PM.
08-24-2012, 12:20 PM
#233
At the rate it's goin the 1le might outrun the ZL
I don't think the SS was embarrassed by the boss at all. Notice in the vid they used a 2010 Camaro....probably with 2yr old tires and all. For 12 the camaro was up dated with fe4 suspension, which may or may not have made it win but with that and new tires would have closed the gap greatly.
http://youtu.be/Jr3SwDviPQ0
If anything it's a embarasment for the Boss, which is the best handleing Muststang that the average 2yr old camaro stayed that close.
I don't think the SS was embarrassed by the boss at all. Notice in the vid they used a 2010 Camaro....probably with 2yr old tires and all. For 12 the camaro was up dated with fe4 suspension, which may or may not have made it win but with that and new tires would have closed the gap greatly.
http://youtu.be/Jr3SwDviPQ0
If anything it's a embarasment for the Boss, which is the best handleing Muststang that the average 2yr old camaro stayed that close.
I understand you like camaros... its clear.. you hate mustangs, thats also clear. But please do not compare these 2 cars and give credit where its due. If you watched any GT racing, you would see that this looks like 2 cars that are in 2 different classes racing each other.
Last edited by evangto87; 08-24-2012 at 12:26 PM.
08-24-2012, 12:21 PM
#234
Staging Lane
08-24-2012, 12:22 PM
#235
ive been saying that for a long time now... Z28 = ls7 powered, 3500lb, 3.73 geared. Would be the best handling/ fastest straight line camaro to date. But that wont happen. However i did see a savage SLP car at one of the auto shows. Na ls7 SS. Pretty badass car.... but 85+k
08-24-2012, 12:26 PM
#236
ive been saying that for a long time now... Z28 = ls7 powered, 3500lb, 3.73 geared. Would be the best handling/ fastest straight line camaro to date. But that wont happen. However i did see a savage SLP car at one of the auto shows. Na ls7 SS. Pretty badass car.... but 85+k
08-24-2012, 12:29 PM
#237
id say your doing the better of the 2. I still miss my GTO sometimes... mine was just too far into being a race car that i didnt want it anymore.
08-24-2012, 12:30 PM
#238
Staging Lane
Honestly I think the LS7 in a 1LE with 200lbs of weight reduction WOULD outrun the ZL1 for less money to boot
3650lbs/505hp=7.23lbs per hp
4150lbs/580hp=7.15lbs per hp
Being 400lbs lighter with better gearing and the same tires, a lightened 1LE with an LS7 would destroy the ZL1 in the 1/4 mile. Not to mention dry sump fixing the aforementioned oil starvation issues and getting far better gas mileage to boot.
3650lbs/505hp=7.23lbs per hp
4150lbs/580hp=7.15lbs per hp
Being 400lbs lighter with better gearing and the same tires, a lightened 1LE with an LS7 would destroy the ZL1 in the 1/4 mile. Not to mention dry sump fixing the aforementioned oil starvation issues and getting far better gas mileage to boot.
Or just let them build my car
3950/775hp=5.09lbs per hp
08-24-2012, 12:33 PM
#240
lowest i had mine down to was 3300.... but again... racecar. I tried making it enjoyable again but putting some stuff back in it. Was 3580 with me in it when i ran it last (im 165)