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Old 09-04-2012, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by M29_Formula
Hugger, get E85. My car ran 13.1 @ 110.5 on E85 with an 8600ft DA. That corrects to like 12.4 @ 115. Get some E85 and yank him.
I've offered to get him squared away with an E tune....
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Originally Posted by Teal94Z
the cobalt 45 in third gear???? if he was in second he wouldnt have been yanked so hard...
Yeah, I also started in 3rd as well to try and replacate the same pull for both runs. We are going to do this again either at a higher roll for 3rd or going with 2nd. Probably do both anyway. This vid was to demonstrate the difference between a gms1 tune and a custom hptuners tune
Originally Posted by M29_Formula
Hugger, get E85. My car ran 13.1 @ 110.5 on E85 with an 8600ft DA. That corrects to like 12.4 @ 115. Get some E85 and yank him.
Hey hey, nobody is yanking me without at least taking me to a movie and dinner first.
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I've offered to get him squared away with an E tune....
Hmmmm, this needs to happen at least for spirited occasions
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Hey Hugger, you could go with something like this.
Even made a nice little skid for it to sit on.

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LMAO at drum.

ok ok so tell me.

*Is there an easy way to switch from 85 to 93 or is it a reflash?

*Is the car ready for it as it sit? ie: injectors, plugs, etc?
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Originally Posted by hugger1975
LMAO at drum.

ok ok so tell me.

*Is there an easy way to switch from 85 to 93 or is it a reflash?

*Is the car ready for it as it sit? ie: injectors, plugs, etc?
I don't know how much headroom you have on the stock injectors so TMan could fill you in on that. As for going back and forth you would either need to reflash or get your hands on a spare pcm and do a swap to whichever fuel you are running. I'm a bad influence aren't I?
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Stock injectors will handle straight E85 up to about 400whp. You have to be careful at sea level/low elevations though when ramping in boost because you can throw a low rail pressure code if you run too much boost down low (ie like 25-28psi). I can get away with a 27-25psi spike around 3000rpm and tapering to ~20psi at redline due to me being at such high altitude.

The nice thing about the SS/TCs fuel system is that since it is direct injection, it does not require any changes to run E85. No upgraded lift pump, no upgraded high pressure mechanical pump, no upgraded injectors. Unless you want more than about 400whp.

Oh, and since you guys are discussing GMS1 Vs HPT E85 tunes, here's how my car ran GMS1 Vs a 50% dialled-in E85 tune (watch on the page in hi-def, it's easier to read the speedo):

Oh, and as far as switching, I bought a spare LNF ECM and used that to do my E85 tune. The ECM takes like 10 seconds to swap underhood. I just carry my GMS1 ECM in my trunk so if I ever get fucked and can't find E85, I just run it dry and switch ECMs at the pump when I fill up with 93. Plus, it gets cold in Wyoming during the winter, so I'll switch back to my GMS1 ECM later this month.
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Hmmmmmmmm how much for a PCM?

:-)
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Originally Posted by M29_Formula
Stock injectors will handle straight E85 up to about 400whp. You have to be careful at sea level/low elevations though when ramping in boost because you can throw a low rail pressure code if you run too much boost down low (ie like 25-28psi). I can get away with a 27-25psi spike around 3000rpm and tapering to ~20psi at redline due to me being at such high altitude.

The nice thing about the SS/TCs fuel system is that since it is direct injection, it does not require any changes to run E85. No upgraded lift pump, no upgraded high pressure mechanical pump, no upgraded injectors. Unless you want more than about 400whp.

Oh, and since you guys are discussing GMS1 Vs HPT E85 tunes, here's how my car ran GMS1 Vs a 50% dialled-in E85 tune (watch on the page in hi-def, it's easier to read the speedo):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V154Ow7Z8zI

Oh, and as far as switching, I bought a spare LNF ECM and used that to do my E85 tune. The ECM takes like 10 seconds to swap underhood. I just carry my GMS1 ECM in my trunk so if I ever get fucked and can't find E85, I just run it dry and switch ECMs at the pump when I fill up with 93. Plus, it gets cold in Wyoming during the winter, so I'll switch back to my GMS1 ECM later this month.
I'll watch the vid in a little bit but that is interesting stuff. I like e85 but I'm not planning to run it when it gets colder. When does the winter blend roll in?
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Originally Posted by hugger1975
Hmmmmmmmm how much for a PCM?

:-)
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Originally Posted by hugger1975
Hmmmmmmmm how much for a PCM?

:-)
Got mine from mongorat427 on CSS.net for like $125.
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Originally Posted by willizm
I don't know how much headroom you have on the stock injectors so TMan could fill you in on that. As for going back and forth you would either need to reflash or get your hands on a spare pcm and do a swap to whichever fuel you are running. I'm a bad influence aren't I?
As was already stated, nothing more than a different tune to run the liquid gold.

Definitely wouldn't need to run full E85 either as the benefits of ethanol can be realized with 1:1 E/gas.

An E tune would be very simple but it would be a whole lot more time consuming than what we've done with the gas tune in order to dial the MAF/fueling in. You would definitely need some new tires though, Hugger.... If you're spinning now, it would be an absolute annihilation of your tires with an E tune.
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E47 time lol.
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Originally Posted by T.Man
As was already stated, nothing more than a different tune to run the liquid gold.

Definitely wouldn't need to run full E85 either as the benefits of ethanol can be realized with 1:1 E/gas.

An E tune would be very simple but it would be a whole lot more time consuming than what we've done with the gas tune in order to dial the MAF/fueling in. You would definitely need some new tires though, Hugger.... If you're spinning now, it would be an absolute annihilation of your tires with an E tune.
Yeah, we should make this happen. Starting the donate to the "Hugger needs an LNF PCM so he can run e85" foundation.
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Originally Posted by willizm
Yeah, we should make this happen. Starting the donate to the "Hugger needs an LNF PCM so he can run e85" foundation.
I have some spare change to toss in.

While we're at it let's start the "Jerry needs DR's and N20 so he can have more ***** 'n' giggles" foundation
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I love this thread
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I have a spare laying around actually 2 lol
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Originally Posted by Balt2nv
I have a spare laying around actually 2 lol
How much for one?
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Originally Posted by willizm
How much for one?
What do they go for? The one I will sell had a trifecta tune uploaded to it or a the other is stock.
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