Me vs HCI + 125 shot 95 Cobra
10-07-2012, 05:15 PM
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lmao.. no.. no hes not. Not everyone is on a forum. Most people arent actually. His car has gone 11.2 at 127 (not the best driver). His car makes every bit of 457whp. Its a fast car. Its an NA 306. If you havent seen a 302 make into the 4s... then you havent seen anyone build one who knows anything about engines
Same here. Given its some stock bottom end setups. Im sure mid to highish 3's is possible but mid 4's is a bit outrageous, IMO.
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10-07-2012, 08:00 PM
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He has the Trick Flow top end kit from Summit. It comes with 170cc heads, small port long runner intake, and the cam specs are 221 int./225 exh. and .499/.510 lift. About as mild a build as you can get. Bolt the same spec parts on a LS1 and see how fast it goes, lol. Most guys in the Mustang world use small heads and weenie cams because they say they don't want to lose any low end torque. As long as guys continue to buy small parts they will continue to lose races.
10-07-2012, 08:35 PM
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He has the Trick Flow top end kit from Summit. It comes with 170cc heads, small port long runner intake, and the cam specs are 221 int./225 exh. and .499/.510 lift. About as mild a build as you can get. Bolt the same spec parts on a LS1 and see how fast it goes, lol. Most guys in the Mustang world use small heads and weenie cams because they say they don't want to lose any low end torque. As long as guys continue to buy small parts they will continue to lose races.
10-07-2012, 08:51 PM
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The LS1 shines because of the stroke and the awesome stock heads. Hell, stock LS1 heads have a 200cc intake runner, lol. The only way to make any real power is to shift the torque curve higher in the RPM band. I have seen a lot of 347's with 170cc heads on them and then the owners post up crappy dyno numbers and wonder why. As long as most of the Mustang guys are dead set to not lose any low end torque, they will never make much power.
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10-07-2012, 08:54 PM
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well my buddies car isnt the most street friendly.. but thats not because of the motor. Mainly its transmission/ rear end/ wheel/tire combo. But like any older motor, it takes a good understanding about how engines work to really get power out of them. The LS platform is just stupid easy to make power out of. Almost any heads or any cam seem to make great power. It really is a fool proof NA power plant... which is why its such a strong setup. Whats really crazy is to see that knowledge of how to build an old SBC applied to building an LS motor. Big dollar cylinder heads and crazy top end/bottom end tricks to get savage power out of them. 90 percent of the H/C 302s you will run into wont make great power. Not because they cant, but because its just not as cookie cutter easy as the ls.
Exactly, a absolute ratard can make a LS fast.
It takes someone knowing what they are doing to make a SBC or SBF to run.
10-07-2012, 09:15 PM
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The LS1 shines because of the stroke and the awesome stock heads. Hell, stock LS1 heads have a 200cc intake runner, lol. The only way to make any real power is to shift the torque curve higher in the RPM band. I have seen a lot of 347's with 170cc heads on them and then the owners post up crappy dyno numbers and wonder why. As long as most of the Mustang guys are dead set to not lose any low end torque, they will never make much power.
Well thats what happens when you start off with a superior platform vs a **** platform.
He has the Trick Flow top end kit from Summit. It comes with 170cc heads, small port long runner intake, and the cam specs are 221 int./225 exh. and .499/.510 lift. About as mild a build as you can get. Bolt the same spec parts on a LS1 and see how fast it goes, lol. Most guys in the Mustang world use small heads and weenie cams because they say they don't want to lose any low end torque. As long as guys continue to buy small parts they will continue to lose races.
10-07-2012, 09:29 PM
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Stock 87-93 5.0 made 300 lb feet.
Still beats the **** out of starting with a honda.
Just because it's a step up from the factory doesn't mean it will make good power.
Still a step up from factory. they are aftermarket heads/cam and intake at the end of the day. Cars impressive for the mods but that **** is light. I can show you a stock bottom end all motor honda that runs 11.3s impressive for the mods but the car doesn't weigh ****.
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10-07-2012, 10:01 PM
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adamantium. You have a lot to learn about engines. Jegs catalogs do not carry stout parts for old motors. And this 8k rpm sbc that only makes 377whp is horrifying. My buddies car that makes 457 revs 7500 with a hydrolic roller setup. SBC and SBF stuff have quite the stout after market line up. You just need to understand how engines work to build one. Yes the LS is superior... but dont think because it makes so much more power out of the box.... that the small block stuff cant be insanely strong. The main difference between these is you get so much more from the factory with an ls motor. The absolute shittiest head you can get for an ls motor, is the factory ls1 head, which is still leagues stronger then a factory small block head. However... there are small block heads that flow just as much as and velocity as badass LS heads. The fastest NA car out of my close group of friends... runs an lt1... and its still an lt1 cylinder head... which if you dont know what differs between an lt head and a sbc head... its a 23 degree valve angle. Factory ls heads have 18 degrees... that alone... is huge. He runs 9.91 at 136 in a 3400lb race weight f body. Still runs a 23 degree valve angle. Makes 550whp through the 5400 converter.
10-07-2012, 10:24 PM
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adamantium. You have a lot to learn about engines. Jegs catalogs do not carry stout parts for old motors. And this 8k rpm sbc that only makes 377whp is horrifying. My buddies car that makes 457 revs 7500 with a hydrolic roller setup. SBC and SBF stuff have quite the stout after market line up. You just need to understand how engines work to build one.
ANYTHING with the right amount of $ can be fast what are you trying to say here? Anyone with common sense knows this.
Yes the LS is superior... but dont think because it makes so much more power out of the box.... that the small block stuff cant be insanely strong. The main difference between these is you get so much more from the factory with an ls motor. The absolute shittiest head you can get for an ls motor, is the factory ls1 head, which is still leagues stronger then a factory small block head.
Just proving my point even more, they are a shittier platform to start with.
However... there are small block heads that flow just as much as and velocity as badass LS heads. The fastest NA car out of my close group of friends... runs an lt1... and its still an lt1 cylinder head... which if you dont know what differs between an lt head and a sbc head... its a 23 degree valve angle. Factory ls heads have 18 degrees... that alone... is huge. He runs 9.91 at 136 in a 3400lb race weight f body. Still runs a 23 degree valve angle. Makes 550whp through the 5400 converter.
I know LTx cars can be stout, just like any other motor on this planet. with the right amount of $ ANYTHING can be fast.
10-07-2012, 10:33 PM
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10-07-2012, 10:36 PM
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that fox isnt my friends car and means nothing to me... its gutted compared to his car and apparently revs much higher with a lot less power...
Friends Fox > one in said video
Friends Fox > one in said video
10-07-2012, 10:47 PM
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Give me a break, really? Explain how making 100 less rwhp, and going .7 tenths faster, makes the car under your FRIENDS car? By that logic any high horsepower car going slower than a lower rwhp car is still the better car? lol
Joes car is VERY impressive and still holds the fastest stock bottom end 5.0 record N/A, and comparing much more powerful, 10+ year newer cars to an old pushrod 5.0 is just idiotic. If you wanna go that route, buy a used low mile unmolested ls1 car ($12,000 atleast?) and i will buy a low mile fox for $5,000 at the most and give me the $7,000 difference and we will see who makes it to the end of the 1320 first. Seriously this is just a dumb comparison, i mean i know where i am (ls1tech) but honestly, get real on **** talking other brands that can be JUST as powerful and bashing all mustang guys, i happen to own a 2001 trans am, and an 87 fox, and i love them both.
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10-07-2012, 10:51 PM
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Okay what?? You asked a question, I answered it. I never said it was an awesome torque figure or anything. Back in that time, the fox bodies were kicking *** on the street. You wouldn't know because you were not there. Comparing a stock car from 1987 to cars of today is apples and oranges. I am glad you came over from the honda world to share all of your vast car knowledge with us.