Me vs HCI + 125 shot 95 Cobra
10-07-2012, 10:53 PM
#41
Up until now i agreed with you until you made the smartass remark of "oh my friends car over this guys car"
Give me a break, really? Explain how making 100 less rwhp, and going .7 tenths faster, makes the car under your FRIENDS car? By that logic any high horsepower car going slower than a lower rwhp car is still the better car? lol
Joes car is VERY impressive and still holds the fastest stock bottom end 5.0 record N/A, and comparing much more powerful, 10+ year newer cars to an old pushrod 5.0 is just idiotic. If you wanna go that route, buy a used low mile unmolested ls1 car ($12,000 atleast?) and i will buy a low mile fox for $5,000 at the most and give me the $7,000 difference and we will see who makes it to the end of the 1320 first. Seriously this is just a dumb comparison, i mean i know where i am (ls1tech) but honestly, get real on **** talking other brands that can be JUST as powerful and bashing all mustang guys, i happen to own a 2001 trans am, and an 87 fox, and i love them both.
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Give me a break, really? Explain how making 100 less rwhp, and going .7 tenths faster, makes the car under your FRIENDS car? By that logic any high horsepower car going slower than a lower rwhp car is still the better car? lol
Joes car is VERY impressive and still holds the fastest stock bottom end 5.0 record N/A, and comparing much more powerful, 10+ year newer cars to an old pushrod 5.0 is just idiotic. If you wanna go that route, buy a used low mile unmolested ls1 car ($12,000 atleast?) and i will buy a low mile fox for $5,000 at the most and give me the $7,000 difference and we will see who makes it to the end of the 1320 first. Seriously this is just a dumb comparison, i mean i know where i am (ls1tech) but honestly, get real on **** talking other brands that can be JUST as powerful and bashing all mustang guys, i happen to own a 2001 trans am, and an 87 fox, and i love them both.
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10-07-2012, 10:58 PM
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this was not meant to be against his car. But it kept getting brought up against my arguement of what a built 302/6 can make for power N/A. Wasnt meant to offend anyone. My arguement was that my buddies car is an NA 306 making 457whp with a 3400lb race weight... its running 11.2 at 127 for the simple reason... he isnt a driver. The car has 5 mph on this other fox and weighs apparently 600lbs more. Its not to bash this car. But this fox kept coming up as the flagship "built" 302. They can make more power then that plain and simple. What mustang guys am i bashing? I think we can all agree that a 380whp h/c/i/150 shot 302 is damn weak. Sorry if that offends someone somehow. Im not trying to be a dick. I was simply saying the potential of what a 302 can be done and adamantium through this fox out there and his arguement was that it was the best that can be had...
10-07-2012, 11:00 PM
#43
I guess i should have made it clear, nothing more than the "smartass" part was aimed toward you, in which i apologize i thought you were trying to bash on mustang owners like most people on this site tend to do, the rest of my statement was aimed at that adamantium fellow.
10-07-2012, 11:18 PM
#44
Okay what?? You asked a question, I answered it. I never said it was an awesome torque figure or anything. Back in that time, the fox bodies were kicking *** on the street. You wouldn't know because you were not there. Comparing a stock car from 1987 to cars of today is apples and oranges. I am glad you came over from the honda world to share all of your vast car knowledge with us.
Pretty sad when your god like 5.0 makes around the same torque and alot less power than a bolt on 6cyl from honda. Must suck eh?
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10-08-2012, 01:06 AM
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LoL, I guess if I didn't know how to "build" a motor I'd be butt hurt and hate on a engine that was designed 50 years ago with pen and paper on a actual drawing board.
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10-08-2012, 01:40 AM
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10-08-2012, 08:14 AM
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14.5 at 95MPH with temp tags on it-not the fastest stocker either. No Honda could touch it. Plus it cost 15 grand on the road. Good deal for the money brand new.
20 years later 10.1 139MPH with stock wheels,pump gas,all sway bars on,full interior blah blah-and mine is slow for the mods. Can be driven anywhere thanks to the really tall OD. They are excellent platforms to make fast,autocross,road race etc....lots of parts,cheap price,lots of knowledge and easy to work on. Anyone that has been in this hobby for a while,this is old news...
10-08-2012, 12:12 PM
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lmao.. no.. no hes not. Not everyone is on a forum. Most people arent actually. His car has gone 11.2 at 127 (not the best driver). His car makes every bit of 457whp. Its a fast car. Its an NA 306. If you havent seen a 302 make into the 4s... then you havent seen anyone build one who knows anything about engines
10-08-2012, 01:41 PM
#53
RKL Performance built the car. His name is Ray Leathers. He is a one man shop. He doesnt advertise on the internet. Does not have a website. But hes been around for years. Hes built a lot of stupid fast cars as long as people give the money. His own personal SN95 race car (which is another car that the only reason its a race car is because of suspension and drivetrain). Its an all stock parts 302. Its a class car. Has to run stock heads and stock cam. The car makes 330whp. He knows how to pull power out of everything. Power isnt all H/C you know. The car runs 11.8 at 113 on motor. Hes working on getting it down to 11.5s for the class.
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10-08-2012, 02:59 PM
#54
not every car is on the internet...in fact...most of these awesome records cars hold...are only on the internet..because theres a faster one out there that doesnt give 2 ***** about internet fame. However i can possibly go to the speed shop that its always in and take some pictures. Thats assuming its still there. He was getting a transmission swap to a c4 and nitrous hooked up. He wants to run into the 9s.
RKL Performance built the car. His name is Ray Leathers. He is a one man shop. He doesnt advertise on the internet. Does not have a website. But hes been around for years. Hes built a lot of stupid fast cars as long as people give the money. His own personal SN95 race car (which is another car that the only reason its a race car is because of suspension and drivetrain). Its an all stock parts 302. Its a class car. Has to run stock heads and stock cam. The car makes 330whp. He knows how to pull power out of everything. Power isnt all H/C you know. The car runs 11.8 at 113 on motor. Hes working on getting it down to 11.5s for the class.
RKL Performance built the car. His name is Ray Leathers. He is a one man shop. He doesnt advertise on the internet. Does not have a website. But hes been around for years. Hes built a lot of stupid fast cars as long as people give the money. His own personal SN95 race car (which is another car that the only reason its a race car is because of suspension and drivetrain). Its an all stock parts 302. Its a class car. Has to run stock heads and stock cam. The car makes 330whp. He knows how to pull power out of everything. Power isnt all H/C you know. The car runs 11.8 at 113 on motor. Hes working on getting it down to 11.5s for the class.
10-08-2012, 03:08 PM
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@ 3400lbs its a bit hard to believe and mid 4's? Thats what most H/C setups make and they trap lower 120s in around the same weight. I can see it plausable with good *** air and under 3k race weight. Like i said look at vibrant93s car its a pretty badass setup, big *** cam, TFS heads reworked, built tko trans, 4.56s no p/s, no a/c, electric water pump, all the bolt ons, 12.5 compression basically a max effort setup and it traps 121-122 at best, your talking 6mph more in a car that weighs more. He's probably yanking your chain. Not doubting you just saying its a bit hard to believe.
Seriously... why is it that it is perfectly ok that HIO traps 130mph in a 3100lb race weight car that makes 417whp. But when a 3400lb race weight car makes 457whp and traps 127mph... thats impossible?? Why are we still comparing it to a completely different car?
10-08-2012, 03:22 PM
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my chains arent being yanked. Time slips and dyno sheets dont lie. Im sorry you dont believe it. Again... the builder of this car makes 330whp out of his stock parts 302... stock cam...stock heads. Call BS on that too.
Seriously... why is it that it is perfectly ok that HIO traps 130mph in a 3100lb race weight car that makes 417whp. But when a 3400lb race weight car makes 457whp and traps 127mph... thats impossible?? Why are we still comparing it to a completely different car?
Seriously... why is it that it is perfectly ok that HIO traps 130mph in a 3100lb race weight car that makes 417whp. But when a 3400lb race weight car makes 457whp and traps 127mph... thats impossible?? Why are we still comparing it to a completely different car?
Heres another max effort 347ci fox traps 128mph judging by the cam its a high compression max effort setup aswell.
"Here's a video of my good friend Travis's N/A 347" stock block LX. He just got the car up and running earlier this year and is starting to get it figured out. It has AFR 185 heads with a little port work, Anderson N-111 cam, and a Vic.Jr intake. I dont know the carb size but I dont think it's much more than a 650cfm. Trans is a Face plated TKO-600 and the car has a 4.56 rear gear. He was running on a 28x10 e.t. drag but they were wore out so even a 4500rpm launch rpm would still blow them off. This was a 10.8@129 pass with a 1.7x 60' time. Car weight is right around 2950lbs with driver. It'll go 10.40's with a new tire."
10-08-2012, 03:37 PM
#57
Like talking to a wall. You should go to his shop... and look at the car... and just tell the car builder and owner that they are both full of **** because the internet says so. That way they can laugh you out the door and can continue on with his business. Theres a reason he doesnt deal with the internet. I guess ill continue getting my chain yanked.
You are also aware that companies are still designing new sbc and sbf heads right? You are aware that 90 percent of the domestic NA racing world DOES NOT use an ls1 powerplant?
Also... stop referrancing "302" like thats the reason it can only make so much power. For someone who comes from the honda world, im shocked you actually think 302 cubes is limited to such a low hp. For christ sake... my car is an emissions legal stock catted NA baby cammed 302 make 418whp. You should learn that cubic inch does not dictate the power a car can make.
You are also aware that companies are still designing new sbc and sbf heads right? You are aware that 90 percent of the domestic NA racing world DOES NOT use an ls1 powerplant?
Also... stop referrancing "302" like thats the reason it can only make so much power. For someone who comes from the honda world, im shocked you actually think 302 cubes is limited to such a low hp. For christ sake... my car is an emissions legal stock catted NA baby cammed 302 make 418whp. You should learn that cubic inch does not dictate the power a car can make.
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10-08-2012, 03:44 PM
#59
what article? Im not referring to any articles... again... If its not online... it doesnt exist..ugh
And another thing... these cars are using Victor Jrs... thats there first mistake. RKL has NEVER used a Vic JR and refuses to.
And another thing... these cars are using Victor Jrs... thats there first mistake. RKL has NEVER used a Vic JR and refuses to.