02 LS1 vs 5.0(11-13)
08-21-2013, 09:09 PM
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I agree with what you're saying. The msrp for a 01-02 SS 10-12 years ago was the around the same price of a brand new 5.0 now.
But thats not the case these days, if you can deal without the interior amenities. You can still buy a great conditon, low mile 4th gen and throw a cam in it and run with very stout bolt on 5.0s. I wish you can admit this because it seems like you think so inferior of these 4th gen cars when compared to the 5.0.
All I'm trying to say, is even for being 11+ years old. 4th gens still aren't that far off from a performance standpoint. Mod for mod the 5.0 will prob be quicker, I'll admit that, but its not that far off, especially for being 11+ years old.
But thats not the case these days, if you can deal without the interior amenities. You can still buy a great conditon, low mile 4th gen and throw a cam in it and run with very stout bolt on 5.0s. I wish you can admit this because it seems like you think so inferior of these 4th gen cars when compared to the 5.0.
All I'm trying to say, is even for being 11+ years old. 4th gens still aren't that far off from a performance standpoint. Mod for mod the 5.0 will prob be quicker, I'll admit that, but its not that far off, especially for being 11+ years old.
And since when is 5-6mph trap not much difference? Thats stock for stock. Mod for mod stays same gets worse.
You know what who cares. I drive a cammed ls3 c6.
08-21-2013, 10:37 PM
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Been running my buddy's 02 GT with full bolt ons for almost ten years and crushing him (stop, roll, highway run, track, whatever). So he gets an 07 GT California Style....same thing. So he gets a 5.0 GT, full exhaust and tune...same thing but was much faster. I'm not saying he was upgrading because of me, because he wasn't. He was just looking for something newer and stronger to start with. So now he has a 2012 Roush Stage 3 tuned putting down roughly 550rwhp. We ran it on the highway from 40mph to around 120mph. We went nose to nose the whole way; and he's pushing over 100 more hp than me WITH all his Roush mods at Stage 3. That 5.0 is undoubtedly quick (and with that supercharger) and will dessimate a lot of people. But I'm impressed with my 02 SS still spitting exhaust on windshields. Love the competition.
08-22-2013, 08:30 AM
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But LS1 4th gens have way more potential out of the box.
As far as the difference, it isn't much. Give or take, LS1 4th gens are just a lid, headers, tune, away from taking down stock 5.0s. Thats not that far off if you ask me.
5.0 does full bolt ons, well we can throw in a proper cam, and/or a good set of heads and run very similar times. This is what I mean the two cars aren't that far off.
Yes the 5.0 is superior. But done right, these 4th gens will surprise a lot of 5.0s. Most people with 5.0s don't want to accept this.
08-22-2013, 09:08 AM
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Why is almost the entire SR&K section filled with the same half dozen guys arguing the same things over and over. I am not hating, it's just that I figure with a country slap *** full of street racers we would have a large number of debaters. I read a ton of threads in this section so I must like the debate. IMHO, all this can be summed up like this.
Early 1900's Bonny & Clyde kick *** with Ford's new V8
Mid 1900's Dodge makes a leap in Nascar with big *** hemi
1960 something- 2000' GM kicks more *** in motor sports with SBC than the whole industry combined. Also SBC is used in more nonpassenger vehicle apps than any other.
2000-2009 LS dominates motor sports world (in general). Still used in more nonpassenger vehicle apps than any other. There is even an out board boat motor with blown LS.
2010 here comes the Coyote, welcome back Ford. It is even readily available for hot rod swaps in complete kits. I love it when any American Company puts out *** whipping products.
Early 1900's Bonny & Clyde kick *** with Ford's new V8
Mid 1900's Dodge makes a leap in Nascar with big *** hemi
1960 something- 2000' GM kicks more *** in motor sports with SBC than the whole industry combined. Also SBC is used in more nonpassenger vehicle apps than any other.
2000-2009 LS dominates motor sports world (in general). Still used in more nonpassenger vehicle apps than any other. There is even an out board boat motor with blown LS.
2010 here comes the Coyote, welcome back Ford. It is even readily available for hot rod swaps in complete kits. I love it when any American Company puts out *** whipping products.
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08-22-2013, 09:27 AM
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I've never sprayed on him, only motor. My last tune had me at 425rwhp but I have more now. His Roush has been tuned with exhaust and pulleys. He showed me the dyno sheets and I can't remember exactly, but it was like 545rwhp.
08-22-2013, 09:32 AM
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I make around 450rwhp on motor. I have a 200 shot I've never used on him. I'm saying I've dragged him for the life of his Mustang ownership and he had to buy an overpriced Roush S3 to keep up with me on motor.
08-22-2013, 09:34 AM
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08-22-2013, 12:46 PM
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That's it I'm waiting for a write off with the new lt1 and swapping it in my car... lol see how many 5.0s hang with me... I could care less my family loves ford I love GM my fiance wants a boss mustang I want a f body and a g8 gxp... apples to oranges get along.
08-22-2013, 01:27 PM
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No I agree with building a fox body, ultimate budget build.
But LS1 4th gens have way more potential out of the box.
As far as the difference, it isn't much. Give or take, LS1 4th gens are just a lid, headers, tune, away from taking down stock 5.0s. Thats not that far off if you ask me.
5.0 does full bolt ons, well we can throw in a proper cam, and/or a good set of heads and run very similar times. This is what I mean the two cars aren't that far off.
Yes the 5.0 is superior. But done right, these 4th gens will surprise a lot of 5.0s. Most people with 5.0s don't want to accept this.
But LS1 4th gens have way more potential out of the box.
As far as the difference, it isn't much. Give or take, LS1 4th gens are just a lid, headers, tune, away from taking down stock 5.0s. Thats not that far off if you ask me.
5.0 does full bolt ons, well we can throw in a proper cam, and/or a good set of heads and run very similar times. This is what I mean the two cars aren't that far off.
Yes the 5.0 is superior. But done right, these 4th gens will surprise a lot of 5.0s. Most people with 5.0s don't want to accept this.
I've also seen Lid only LS1's beat A6 5.0's with more mods. Like Intake/X pipe/cat-back. My Z puts about 5 cars on stock 5.0's. All it has is Lid, exhaust and a stock swapped intake mani. And it has beaten a bolt-on/tuned 13' A6 GT by almost 2 cars, from a 40 roll. And we all know how stock A4's just LOVE 40 rolls, haha. It's hilarious watching how butt hurt those 5.0 guys get when almost stock 15 year old F-bodies put a hurtin on their almighty 5.0's. I just wish GM would have kept making a 3,400 lb F-body and stuck the LS2 and LS3 in it. 
08-22-2013, 02:27 PM
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See, I disagree. From my experience, the 5.0 guys aren't the ones bellyaching, it's the guys in the 4th gens that have the toughest time admitting the new 5.0 is superior.
08-22-2013, 03:03 PM
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08-22-2013, 03:33 PM
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I don't know who would argue that man, but I'm sure some do. The LS1 is clearly the underdog, at least I will say that. However I can see where some 4th gen guys may not give into all the hype of the 5.0. It def deserves some hype, but not as much as some people give.
