Single turbo Supra vs blown Vette - Mexico Racing League
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Duh, because boost. Build a ls3 for 23lbs of boost, how much power is it going to be making? How much power is a 2jz going to be making on 10lbs of boost, like the corvette?
You can argue displacement and boost numbers, but it is irrelevant. Each setup is different and cool in its own way. And that doesn't make it junk.
It is like the idiots that hate on Hondas and fords because of the brand, even if it is faster than their bolt-on fourth gen.
So let us all be ******* and bash on everything that isn't to our liking. Hurrah
Brah.
You can argue displacement and boost numbers, but it is irrelevant. Each setup is different and cool in its own way. And that doesn't make it junk.
It is like the idiots that hate on Hondas and fords because of the brand, even if it is faster than their bolt-on fourth gen.
So let us all be ******* and bash on everything that isn't to our liking. Hurrah
Brah.
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The thing is, they've been doing that since the early 90s. The number of other cars sold in America that could hold the amount of power they could on the stock longblock was basically zero back then. So yes, you can argue displacement and boost numbers...but you can't argue the amount of power that engine can make/hold with no internal changes. I don't care if it takes 100lbs of boost to do it. Tip for the day (Doug); the C6 in this video can't take the same amount of boost that the Supra can without opening up the motor. If you can't at the very least respect that, then you are nothing but a fanboy yourself.
23lbs of boost for a 2jz does not necessarily equal 23lbs for a LS3, because the volumetric efficiency of each engine is different.
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That was kinda my point...that it was a pointless statistic.
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There will always be cars that are tuned badly and blow up. People with bolt-on LS1s break 4L60s all the time. Some Cobras let go at 500rwhp, some live long lives at 650rwhp+. But that does not take away from the fact that the 2JZ-GTE is known worldwide as one of the strongest factory engines ever made. Just like the RB26DETT.
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There will always be cars that are tuned badly and blow up. People with bolt-on LS1s break 4L60s all the time. Some Cobras let go at 500rwhp, some live long lives at 650rwhp+. But that does not take away from the fact that the 2JZ-GTE is known worldwide as one of the strongest factory engines ever made. Just like the RB26DETT.
Love the RB but I will have to disagree that it is one of the strongest factory motors ever made. They make tons of power for the displacement but are known to explode. The 2JZ however is a magnificent machine and anyone who says anything otherwise doesn't know their *** from their mouth.
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Love the RB but I will have to disagree that it is one of the strongest factory motors ever made. They make tons of power for the displacement but are known to explode. The 2JZ however is a magnificent machine and anyone who says anything otherwise doesn't know their *** from their mouth.
Love the RB but I will have to disagree that it is one of the strongest factory motors ever made. They make tons of power for the displacement but are known to explode. The 2JZ however is a magnificent machine and anyone who says anything otherwise doesn't know their *** from their mouth.
The 2JZ-GTE is the import LS1.
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so much butthurt for people that weren't even in the race lol ... we are going to run again while in Houston for tx2k, I had some fuel issues but decided to run anyway so that if the car had a big problem I would find it before driving 9 hours and being stuck with a broken car at 2K. I have the Aeromotive in tank A-1000 setup on the car and after our run had heated the fuel up so much that could not give it any thing over 1/4 throttle, what I get for running on less than half tank after our 2 hour cruise we had been on.
Car is definitely getting a RSI or Ragin twin/triple in tank setup this year.
And agreed Detoxx on the cam stuff. Wanted to add a better cam and meth and push it up to low-mid 7xx's before Houston this year, but I am holding of on the cam for a little bit, there is some new tech coming that is pretty exciting that could be a big influence on my cam selection
And I don't know how you figure **** pour setup whoever it was, (granted not the best cam) but 647/565 with 91pump gas on 8-10lbs with exhaust and ls9 cam is pretty damn good I would think
Car is definitely getting a RSI or Ragin twin/triple in tank setup this year.
And agreed Detoxx on the cam stuff. Wanted to add a better cam and meth and push it up to low-mid 7xx's before Houston this year, but I am holding of on the cam for a little bit, there is some new tech coming that is pretty exciting that could be a big influence on my cam selection
And I don't know how you figure **** pour setup whoever it was, (granted not the best cam) but 647/565 with 91pump gas on 8-10lbs with exhaust and ls9 cam is pretty damn good I would think
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so much butthurt for people that weren't even in the race lol ... we are going to run again while in Houston for tx2k, I had some fuel issues but decided to run anyway so that if the car had a big problem I would find it before driving 9 hours and being stuck with a broken car at 2K. I have the Aeromotive in tank A-1000 setup on the car and after our run had heated the fuel up so much that could not give it any thing over 1/4 throttle, what I get for running on less than half tank after our 2 hour cruise we had been on.
Car is definitely getting a RSI or Ragin twin/triple in tank setup this year.
And agreed Detoxx on the cam stuff. Wanted to add a better cam and meth and push it up to low-mid 7xx's before Houston this year, but I am holding of on the cam for a little bit, there is some new tech coming that is pretty exciting that could be a big influence on my cam selection
And I don't know how you figure **** pour setup whoever it was, (granted not the best cam) but 647/565 with 91pump gas on 8-10lbs with exhaust and ls9 cam is pretty damn good I would think
Car is definitely getting a RSI or Ragin twin/triple in tank setup this year.
And agreed Detoxx on the cam stuff. Wanted to add a better cam and meth and push it up to low-mid 7xx's before Houston this year, but I am holding of on the cam for a little bit, there is some new tech coming that is pretty exciting that could be a big influence on my cam selection
And I don't know how you figure **** pour setup whoever it was, (granted not the best cam) but 647/565 with 91pump gas on 8-10lbs with exhaust and ls9 cam is pretty damn good I would think
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Yeah I know first time I experienced what I read about on Corvette forums and here about those setups since I have owned the car (7 months) so was not really expecting it. Was also the first time it had been as warm as it was so that may have been a factor in the fuel getting heated up like it did by the pump.
Clutch is ok for a while McLeod RST
Ill check out Fore Inn. as well. Car is prolly going to be pretty wild by the time 2k15 rolls around already laying plans for forged ls3, ysi and maybe a pretty nasty 6speed auto swap, that uses paddleshifters and supposedly shifts just as fast as gtr/lambos, that I saw on a business trip to some aftermarket automotive manufacturers this past week
Clutch is ok for a while McLeod RST
Ill check out Fore Inn. as well. Car is prolly going to be pretty wild by the time 2k15 rolls around already laying plans for forged ls3, ysi and maybe a pretty nasty 6speed auto swap, that uses paddleshifters and supposedly shifts just as fast as gtr/lambos, that I saw on a business trip to some aftermarket automotive manufacturers this past week
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Yeah I know first time I experienced what I read about on Corvette forums and here about those setups since I have owned the car (7 months) so was not really expecting it. Was also the first time it had been as warm as it was so that may have been a factor in the fuel getting heated up like it did by the pump.
Clutch is ok for a while McLeod RST
Ill check out Fore Inn. as well. Car is prolly going to be pretty wild by the time 2k15 rolls around already laying plans for forged ls3, ysi and maybe a pretty nasty 6speed auto swap, that uses paddleshifters and supposedly shifts just as fast as gtr/lambos, that I saw on a business trip to some aftermarket automotive manufacturers this past week
Clutch is ok for a while McLeod RST
Ill check out Fore Inn. as well. Car is prolly going to be pretty wild by the time 2k15 rolls around already laying plans for forged ls3, ysi and maybe a pretty nasty 6speed auto swap, that uses paddleshifters and supposedly shifts just as fast as gtr/lambos, that I saw on a business trip to some aftermarket automotive manufacturers this past week
Details on the trans when you get them
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I will do that oscs, also really digging the Datsun man, my first cars a was 78 280, and almost bought another 78 280 that had a turbo swap from a later model Zcar making 450 or so whp about 5 years ago but I got into the vettes instead
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Love the RB but I will have to disagree that it is one of the strongest factory motors ever made. They make tons of power for the displacement but are known to explode. The 2JZ however is a magnificent machine and anyone who says anything otherwise doesn't know their *** from their mouth.
Love the RB but I will have to disagree that it is one of the strongest factory motors ever made. They make tons of power for the displacement but are known to explode. The 2JZ however is a magnificent machine and anyone who says anything otherwise doesn't know their *** from their mouth.
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Thanks for the compliment. I was also torn between a vette or the Z but decided I wanted something a bit different. Its been a long and pricey battle bringing it up to date but it should be awesome when its done.
Btw im digging your numbers on pump gas.. I think people over complicate things now a days in order to chase a HP number.