91 Gsx
91 Gsx Got a guy at work who has a 91 GSX. He says it puts 460 down, which I find pretty impressive. He has a boost controller on it I know, and he says he has about $2k worth of other stuff in it. The thing I'm curious about, is he says it would blow away any stock LS1. How much would you have to do to one of these cars to do that? I'm sure they're probably pretty fast as it is.
Another question I had, is how much of a hp gain would the best cam get you in the LS1?
Another question I had, is how much of a hp gain would the best cam get you in the LS1?
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blow away a stock ls1?.....i doubt that, a buddy of mine has a 99 gsx and he's put over 40 grand in performance parts in it, he's running 12s. if that guy only has about 2 grand in it i don't think he would take an ls1.....you should find out what he has in it, that'll give you a definite answer.
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Originally Posted by KBoogie
If he is putting down 460.... in a GSX... i think he would easly take a LS1... GSX is a AWD car.... nd they are kind alight if i remember....
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3600 lbs, no way JW. a '91 GSX AWD should definitely still weigh under 3000 lbs.
If he isn't bullshitting, you're in big trouble.
But I'd almost guarantee that he is unless he's swapped turbos.
If he isn't bullshitting, you're in big trouble.
But I'd almost guarantee that he is unless he's swapped turbos.
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i'm pretty sure our DSM guys in here will tell you that the stock turbo is only good up to about 300hp or so, if i'm not mistaken. unless you're very familiar with DSMs tho, he could have a huge turbo under that hood and you still wouldn't be able to tell it from stock very easily.
for what it's worth, a real 460awhp 91 GSX should run with stock srt-10s and beat stock z06s without much trouble. sure the awd system "eats hp", but if it's putting down 460 hp to the wheels, that's AFTER it's done "eating hp" and that 460hp is what's left to move the car. the problem is how this guy is gonna spool up such a large turbo to get it up to snuff quick enough to compete. i'm thinking he'd have to have at least a small/medium shot of nitrous just to help get the turbo spooled up.
all that being said, even going low-budget cheap & used parts... you arn't getting 460whp out of a DSM without a LOT more than $2k unless there is some downright theft going on.
ps, tell him good luck not breaking his 3-bolt mains with that much hp.
for what it's worth, a real 460awhp 91 GSX should run with stock srt-10s and beat stock z06s without much trouble. sure the awd system "eats hp", but if it's putting down 460 hp to the wheels, that's AFTER it's done "eating hp" and that 460hp is what's left to move the car. the problem is how this guy is gonna spool up such a large turbo to get it up to snuff quick enough to compete. i'm thinking he'd have to have at least a small/medium shot of nitrous just to help get the turbo spooled up.
all that being said, even going low-budget cheap & used parts... you arn't getting 460whp out of a DSM without a LOT more than $2k unless there is some downright theft going on.
ps, tell him good luck not breaking his 3-bolt mains with that much hp.
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Hey everyone, this is my first post. I'm from FBody.com and I've been lurking around here for quite a few months reading mostly the race stories. Anyways, I just needed to point out, enisguy, that the 1st Gen DSM AWD's weighed almost 3400 lbs. We weighed my friend's '90 TSi AWD at 3350 lbs. They're no lightweights, that's for sure.
I look forward to posting more often and hope I enjoy this site as much as I do FBody.com.
I look forward to posting more often and hope I enjoy this site as much as I do FBody.com.
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Originally Posted by TransAm52804
Hey everyone, this is my first post. I'm from FBody.com and I've been lurking around here for quite a few months reading mostly the race stories. Anyways, I just needed to point out, enisguy, that the 1st Gen DSM AWD's weighed almost 3400 lbs. We weighed my friend's '90 TSi AWD at 3350 lbs. They're no lightweights, that's for sure.
I look forward to posting more often and hope I enjoy this site as much as I do FBody.com.
I look forward to posting more often and hope I enjoy this site as much as I do FBody.com.
has been going on. IMO 
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Originally Posted by TransAm52804
Hey everyone, this is my first post. I'm from FBody.com and I've been lurking around here for quite a few months reading mostly the race stories. Anyways, I just needed to point out, enisguy, that the 1st Gen DSM AWD's weighed almost 3400 lbs. We weighed my friend's '90 TSi AWD at 3350 lbs. They're no lightweights, that's for sure.
I look forward to posting more often and hope I enjoy this site as much as I do FBody.com.
I look forward to posting more often and hope I enjoy this site as much as I do FBody.com.
I really don't care how much the guy's car weighs, because he definitely lying about something... 
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With some weight mods, mine weighs under 2,800 pounds. I'm running mid 12's on pump gas and on stock turbo. But i only dyno 273 to All wheels. 460awhp for less than $2k is a serious hookup. The stock 1st gen dsm turbo "14b" is only capapble of putting down in the low 300hp range on an AWD 1g dsm. It is posible he bought everything used. 500hp turbo's can be bought for around $800 for dsm's but theres more too it, External wastegate, Intercooler, Injectors, fuel pump, airflowsensor, intake, tuning etc. You can run 11's on a stock turbo with a gutted 1g but it will still only be making around 300hp.
Originally Posted by 01ws6bird
blow away a stock ls1?.....i doubt that, a buddy of mine has a 99 gsx and he's put over 40 grand in performance parts in it, he's running 12s. if that guy only has about 2 grand in it i don't think he would take an ls1.....you should find out what he has in it, that'll give you a definite answer.
if infact the 1g had 460awhp, it will run 11's and possibly 10's with a good driver...PROBABLY not going to happen for $2g but its possible if **** is ghetto rigged and used parts are boughts....
however, it doesn't take much for a dsm to beat a stock ls1
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Originally Posted by 01ws6bird
blow away a stock ls1?.....i doubt that, a buddy of mine has a 99 gsx and he's put over 40 grand in performance parts in it, he's running 12s.
Any vehicle (or bicycle, for that matter) with $40,000 in performance parts will not run 12s.
Stage 1 mods on a DSM cost about $2000-$3000 depending on quality/type, and will put the car around 300hp. This is not at the wheels, and AWD driveline loss is pretty bad. Good for low 13s, highish 12s with a good driver.
Stage 2 mods cost around $5000 (this assumes you went directly to stage 2 and skipped stage 1), and put you around 400hp. Good for low 12s, highish 11s with a good driver.
I say good driver because of shifting, which isn't too hard to do...a monkey could launch a GSX.
Either you misunderstood your friend, or he's an idiot. Or you are an idiot. If he's got $2K in his car, he sure ain't putting down 460 to the ground, especially in a GSX. And I don't even understand why anyone would bother saying "a 460 whp AWD car could blow away a stock LS1." "My LS1 can blow away a stock Kia." Wheeeee.
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i probably would have screamd "Bullshit" in his face man. I dont see how ANYONE could believe that....I was at work 3 days ago and was on break and was reading GMHTP magazine and another employee walks up and says "This girl i know has intake and exhuast and nitrous and runs 10's man...." i didnt say anything because i know almost every car around and only know of 1 possible 10 second car where i am 
. I could tell he didnt know **** because he said "I wish i could have one of those Trans Am's with the WS6 in it man". that **** just annoys me. i dont have an f-body of my own anyway so what the hell can i do 
. I could tell he didnt know **** because he said "I wish i could have one of those Trans Am's with the WS6 in it man". that **** just annoys me. i dont have an f-body of my own anyway so what the hell can i do 
Originally Posted by NOTFAST
can someone explain to me what 'stage 1' and 'stage 2' are on a DSM...i'd love to know....lol
A good example of what happens when a Ricer trys to buy parts which are not in a nice bundle comes in the form of my good buddy who lives down the street from me. He is attempting to build a civic hatch, with a b16 engine, and some other **** ... in his garage (with the sole purpose of beating me .... righhhhhhht). I stopped over the other day to find him and a buddy of his attempting to put the engine in the car. They didn't have an engine hoist, so I asked them how they planned on getting it in there. "Well, there is 2 of us, so we'll just lift it in .... oh wait, thats dumb when all we gotta do is lift up the front of the car, and then slide the engine in from underneith". All I could say was WOW ... not to mention the fact that he didnt even bother to get the correct motor mounts that he needed to put the engine in ... I asked him if he planned on using zip ties, or duct tape to hold it there once it was in. (IF it got in ... which it didn't). Oh, he also forgot to get pretty much every other component besides the engine (intake, headers, etc), and the only part he did order, the half-axles ... were for a different transmission. Nice work.
