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Old 06-19-2014, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SharkBait Hoo Ha Ha
I've seen videos of close to stock 2v GTs hanging with LS1 fbodies too, 2003HoMo. Does that mean it should have happened? Pull your god damn, dense head out already. Jesus ****.

Obviously there's something going on with that TA in the video. Along with your brain.
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Originally Posted by MACHXLR8
Out of curiosity, so what happens when the MACH has the mod advantage? Does the LSx still win the race.
This is LS1 tech. The LS1 always wins regardless of hp difference, weight, quarter mile times, trap speed. Only LS1s can win
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Originally Posted by Sticks n Stones
Hammer is right. Sorry Mach nutswingers, they just aren't that close because the Mach just can't match the horsepower to weight ratio, along with a **** ton more useable torque to boot.
Come oooonnnnnn...
Old 06-19-2014, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by SharkBait Hoo Ha Ha
TA should have pulled A LOT harder than that. It must have been beat to **** it's whole life. Machs are a better race for LT1 f-bods. All NA Fords before 2011 are dog ****.
You're just ridiculous. A Mach against the fastest stock LT1 f body is going to favor the Mach. Period.
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Originally Posted by SharkBait Hoo Ha Ha
Haha! Obviously you don't know jack **** about simple physics, Mr COBRO! That TA should be making in the neighborhood of 340rwhp. That Mach with just an intake would be lucky to make 280rwhp. Do you honestly think that race should have been that close? Even a bone stock A4 LS1 should have pulled on it easier than that.
I can also tell you point blank, that the VAST majority of stock LS f bods won't have ANY edge on a m5 Mach.
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Originally Posted by Gt4urass
You're just ridiculous. A Mach against the fastest stock LT1 f body is going to favor the Mach. Period.
agreed, unless the mach is an auto. but that's a better race than a mach vs ls1.
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Originally Posted by big hammer
agreed, unless the mach is an auto. but that's a better race than a mach vs ls1.
I specifically said M5 for that reason. But a tuned Mach Auto is still plenty competent, and I still think holds a very slight edge on an LT.
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Originally Posted by Gt4urass
I specifically said M5 for that reason. But a tuned/stalled/jmod Mach Auto is still plenty competent, and I still think holds a very slight edge on an LS.
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Originally Posted by automach1
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Lol, that may be true, but I was still referencing the absurd comment from sharkfire about the LT being a good run for a Mach.
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lol if street racing were legal and not so dangerous id drive across the country in my lt1(with a few opti's in the trunk) and race every stock>bolt on mach, 3v, ls1, stock 5.0 I could find just so give the lt1 the respect it deserves haha!
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We were specifically talking about f bods. The Vette is a whole different animal
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Originally Posted by Gt4urass
I can also tell you point blank, that the VAST majority of stock LS f bods won't have ANY edge on a m5 Mach.
So you've personally seen the VAST majority of stock LS1 f bods run??? Quit talking out of your *** already. There is a 30-40 whp difference between the two, stock. With similar weight. And that gap only widens once the mods start. Keep living in your fantasy world where the laws of physics don't apply. And ill keep laughing.
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Originally Posted by SharkBait Hoo Ha Ha
So you've personally seen the VAST majority of stock LS1 f bods run??? Quit talking out of your *** already. There is a 30-40 whp difference between the two, stock. With similar weight. And that gap only widens once the mods start. Keep living in your fantasy world where the laws of physics don't apply. And ill keep laughing.
There's also a weight and gearing difference. Stock, there is a ~2 tenth gap, and both respond well to bolt ons. Take off the fanboi blinders.
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Is this another joke? Because I know mach 1's are a joke.

Full bolt on mach 1's make stock ls1 power(310-330).
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Ah yes, another blind fanboi.
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Originally Posted by Gt4urass
Ah yes, another blind fanboi.
Yep these guys are so sad.

Originally Posted by 4PointSlow
Is this another joke? Because I know mach 1's are a joke.

Full bolt on mach 1's make stock ls1 power(310-330).
All ls1s don't make 310-330rwhp. A couple videos of Ls1s on happy dynos doesn't make it true.
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I am a HUGE GM fan ill be the first to admit it, but with that said. I respect the hell out of 03/04 Machs and Terminators and the new coyote. They all 3 are very capable cars. I believe that stock for stock a mach and a ls1 are a decent race but I give a 1-2 car edge to the fcar in most cases, however the further the race proceeds the more the advantage will shift to the fbody. As far as power goes, I have seen MANY stock ls1s hit 300rwhp thats not uncommon, especially a manual, have I seen 290s of course but I have seen enough 310s stock to to balance those out.
Typically dyno numbers I see for the mach are 280rwhp so only about a 20rwhp disadvantage on average.
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I've never lost to a similarly modded Mach 1. They are slow, why is this still a debate?
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Originally Posted by Gt4urass
There's also a weight and gearing difference. Stock, there is a ~2 tenth gap, and both respond well to bolt ons. Take off the fanboi blinders.
There's a weight difference of like 50 lbs lol. And what, 3.55 gears compared to 3.46? ER MY GOD! Huge difference! The LS1's superior power band easily makes up for that. Take the furd blinders off.
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Originally Posted by 95Prplppletrz28
I am a HUGE GM fan ill be the first to admit it, but with that said. I respect the hell out of 03/04 Machs and Terminators and the new coyote. They all 3 are very capable cars. I believe that stock for stock a mach and a ls1 are a decent race but I give a 1-2 car edge to the fcar in most cases, however the further the race proceeds the more the advantage will shift to the fbody. As far as power goes, I have seen MANY stock ls1s hit 300rwhp thats not uncommon, especially a manual, have I seen 290s of course but I have seen enough 310s stock to to balance those out.
Typically dyno numbers I see for the mach are 280rwhp so only about a 20rwhp disadvantage on average.
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Originally Posted by SharkBait Hoo Ha Ha
There's a weight difference of like 50 lbs lol. And what, 3.55 gears compared to 3.46? ER MY GOD! Huge difference! The LS1's superior power band easily makes up for that. Take the furd blinders off.
Different transmission ratios, specifically the ludicrously short first gear in the 3650. Believe what you like, no skin off my back, but don't sleep on one.


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